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post #1 of 98 (permalink) Old 11-27-12, 05:24 AM Thread Starter
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Greetings everyone,

I've had a search of the forums and indeed the internet and there doesn't seem to be a current and up to date discussion on the subject of Legion sizes.

We know the Ultramarines were the largest with 250,000, but how big were the other legions in comparison? How much do we know from the books and other fluff? What sources can we provide?

I'll edit this thread so we can see the progress made in the discussion.

I Dark Angels - 150,000 (estimated)
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III Emperor's Children - 110,000 (60,000 post Isstvan)
IV Iron Warriors - 100,000+ (Above Average Legion size)
V White Scars - 100,000 (Average Legion size)
VI Space Wolves - 100,000 (Average Legion size)
VII Imperial Fists - 100 - 150,000 (estimated)
VIII Night Lords - 90,000 - 120,000 (pre dropsite massacre)
IX Blood Angels - 120,000 (pre Signus)
X Iron Hands - 113,000 (38,000 estimated, post dropsite massacre), 100 Capital Ships (33 estimated, post dropsite massacre)
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XII World Eaters - 150,000 (112,500 post Isstvan), 60+ Capital Ships
XIII Ultramarines - 250,000 (150,000 post Calth)
XIV Death Guard - 95,000 (63,000 post Isstvan), 70 Capital Ships, 210+ Escort and Assault Craft
XV Thousand Sons - 10,000 (1,000 post Prospero)
XVI Sons of Horus - 130-170,000 (70-110,000 post Isstvan), 100+ Capital Ships, 300+ Small Cruisers and Escorts
XVII Word Bearers - 140,000+ (rumoured to be close to rivalling the Ultramarines in numbers, 50,000 amassed at Calth)
XVIII Salamanders - 89,000 (7-8,000 post dropsite massacre)
XIX Raven Guard - 80,000 (3,000 post dropsite massacre)
XX Alpha Legion -100,000 (Average Legion size)

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End of the Heresy Legions were more or less at their largest.

The Word Bearers were the second largest at ~150,000. The average Legion size sat around 90-100,000.

The Emperor's Children, Space Wolves, and Thousand Sons were noticeably smaller. The Emperor's Children and Space Wolves probably numbered from 40-60,000.

The Thousand Sons closer to 10,000.

We know the Raven Guard numbered 80,000.

I don't recall off hand any particularly large or small Legions outside these.
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imagine trying to paint the whole smurf legion with those numbers.
salamanders were also smaller due to heavy losses

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imagine trying to paint the whole smurf legion with those numbers.
salamanders were also smaller due to heavy losses
Salamanders took heavy loses AFTER the start of the Heresy.
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Thoughts on Smallest Legions.

Theres a bunch of info to munch on
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Thoughts on Smallest Legions.

Theres a bunch of info to munch on
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The new Heresy supplement provides some hard figures.

In the period leading up to Isstvan III the Sons of Horus had been on a secret recruiting drive and had built themselves up to 130,000- 170,000 strong.

Post Isstvan III, after the campaign, purging their ranks and fighting the loyalists they had 70,000 to 110,000 thousand marines, 'with considerable evidence that the latter figure is the more accurate'.

The World Eaters were 150,000 strong in the lead up to Isstvan, in the 'higher mid levels comparative to its contemporaries'. 3/4 were at Isstvan, a full third of which were betrayed and purged. That leaves 112,500 traitors left. How many of those died fighting the loyalists is not clear.

The Emperor's Children pre Isstvan had 110,000. A 'quartre to a third were marked for death'. The losses incurred by the traitors were then heavy. It's estimated they lost 50,000 in total (loyalist and traitor) at Isstvan, leaving 60,000.

The Death Guard had 95,000 pre Isstvan. A third of these were killed as loyalists in the betrayal.

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I think there's strong evidence for a guestimation, in recent books, that the Dark Angels and Imperial Fists were both 150,000 strong.

The Blood Angels are confirmed as being 120,000 strong.

Not sure about any other legions.
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I don't recall off hand any particularly large or small Legions outside these.
The Salamanders were noted as being a smaller Legion as well (pre-Heresy).

There are some topics in the FAQ which the OP might be interested in. Aside from that, the Forge World supplement introduces some interesting figures as Rems points out.



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Is this from the Forge World book?
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