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Default The drawbacks of bionics...what are they?

In Wrath of Iron, the Iron Hands' bionics seem to improve their performance with almost no drawbacks...why don't all chapters improve their combat effectiveness with bionic augmentations?
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not sure if a metal prostectic is an enhancement.

Being able to feel and not rusting are two advantages of flesh I can think of. You'd also have some power supply problems
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It's psychological.

Most sources will state that bionics provide no real advantages over flesh when applied to a space marine. For a human perhaps, but most astartes only resort to bionics because they've lost their original... bits.

So, the iron Hands may be deluding themselves into believing they're being improved in some way. Or maybe they've got refined bionics?


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There's an elements of ritual and custom as well.

The Space Marines are gene-wrought from the hand of the emperor, made in the image of their holy primarchs. To tamper with that form is not something you voluntarily do (Iron hands excepted it being a part of their culture from the begging). You do not improve on the Emperor's work, you merely fix what's broken. Added to this is 10,000 years of tradition and doing things a certain way. Those are not habits to be easily broken.

It's like how the Wolves prefer to fight with their boots on the ground to the point of tactical detriment.

There's also the fact you then have to make and maintain all those bionics, expensive and laborious process.

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One huge advantage of Bionics is that they are more resilient than flesh.
A las pistol might burn the skin of a space marine but it will only scratch the paint off of a metal arm.

Serious injuries with loss of blood can also be prevented with the use of bionics, though SM bodies tend to fix themselves fairly fast.

A disadvantage is an EMP, if all power sources are rendered useless, then so is the bionic.

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Its been a while since i last read "feat of iron" however if i remember correctly the Eldar devised ways to nullify the iron hands augments, their bionic components were rendered useless and became naught but cumbersome liabilities, ironically it wasn't the flesh that failed, but what they replaced the flesh with (the eldar also poisoned Ferrus manus through his augmented hands.), my guess is the eldar used some sort of EMP.

furthermore, in a short story wherein a Raven guard and a iron hand work together to discover some form of intelligence (if my memory serves correctly) the iron hand was loud, slow and encumbered by his bionics.

also a quote from "wrath of iron":
they are not my hands.
This fact is forgotten by my brothers – inexplicably, it has always seemed to me. The hands are strong, to be sure, and have created great things for us all, but they are not mine. And that counts for something.
They forget that the silver on my arms comes from a beast that I vanquished. It is the mark of a great evil that I ended, and yet it persists within me. It is alien, artificial; an uneasy corollary to the superlative physical frame given to me by my father.
I would struggle to remove it now. The problem is not one of surgery, for I have no doubt my father’s chirurgeons could remake me entirely if he gave them the command. No, I will not remove the silver from my flesh because I have learned to depend on it.
The fault is with my mind. I rely on the augmentation given to me by my metal gauntlets, so much so that the flesh beneath them is now little more than a memory.
It is a crutch, this silver. A day will come when I will strip it from me, lest I lose the power to master myself forever. Already my Legion’s warriors replace their shield hands with metal in my honour, and so they too are learning to doubt the natural strength of their bodies. They must be weaned off this practice before it becomes a mania for them. Hatred of what is natural, of what is human, is the first and greatest of the corruptions.
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When my father’s Crusade is over, this shall be my sacred task. When the fighting is done, I shall cure my Legion, and myself. For if fighting is all there is, if we may never pause to reflect on what such devotion to strength is doing to us, then our compulsion will only grow.
Already I see the madness that path leads to, and so I shall excise the silver from my hands. In doing so I shall weaken myself and my sons, but nonetheless it must be done.
The hands are strong, and have created great things, but they are not mine.


EDIT: however i should also point out im not trying to portray them in a purely negative light, they have their uses aswell, just trying to answer OP.

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Serious injuries with loss of blood can also be prevented with the use of bionics, though SM bodies tend to fix themselves fairly fast.
Which ironically makes bionics somewhat more vulnerable than marine flesh. A marine can clot a bleed very swiftly (depending on the depth of the cut, minutes or less) but a bionic cannot be repaired during battle. If a control wire or fluid feed is severed than the marine will have no way of fixing themselves.

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Another drawback i see in books of space marines is that its slightly harder to fight daemons with bionics.
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Then again isn't there that S6 guard guy because of bionics? That'd be pretty awesome for rines...

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One huge advantage of Bionics is that they are more resilient than flesh.
A las pistol might burn the skin of a space marine but it will only scratch the paint off of a metal arm.

Serious injuries with loss of blood can also be prevented with the use of bionics, though SM bodies tend to fix themselves fairly fast.

A disadvantage is an EMP, if all power sources are rendered useless, then so is the bionic.

however if the power sources are rendered useless then so is the armour, meaning they have a very hard time moving, so the bionic going isnt that much of a problem

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