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The bionic is not powered by the power armor.

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If I remember correctly in one of the Iron hand novels it showed that one of the main drawbacks of becoming more and more bionic is losing your touch with reality and abillity to properly cooperate with other people.
In the novel the Iron Hands are besieging a hive together with several IG regiments and Titans. In the course of the siege there are more and more problems between the Iron Hands and their allies because the Iron Hands can't really understand why the IG don't keep up with their attacks and why they can't endure the same punishment resulting in several critical operations (almost) failing.
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If I remember correctly in one of the Iron hand novels it showed that one of the main drawbacks of becoming more and more bionic is losing your touch with reality and abillity to properly cooperate with other people.
In the novel the Iron Hands are besieging a hive together with several IG regiments and Titans. In the course of the siege there are more and more problems between the Iron Hands and their allies because the Iron Hands can't really understand why the IG don't keep up with their attacks and why they can't endure the same punishment resulting in several critical operations (almost) failing.
But how much of this is due to the bionics and how much is due to the Iron Hands personal philosophies (Flesh is Weak) and general super-human-ness. We`ve seen examples of non-augmented marines having difficulty understanding the limitations of the human body and mind.

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what is it powered by then? nuclear batteries?

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what is it powered by then? nuclear batteries?
Internal batteries of some sort?

You see the bionics function when marines aren't in their armor and you see humans who've never been in power armor also running around with bionics, too.

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But how much of this is due to the bionics and how much is due to the Iron Hands personal philosophies (Flesh is Weak) and general super-human-ness. We`ve seen examples of non-augmented marines having difficulty understanding the limitations of the human body and mind.
Fair enough, it's true that augmented humans (for example Yarrick) don't seem to have this problem.
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It's a Space Marine problem - there's some fluff somewhere explaining that Imperial Guard regiments fighting alongside the Astartes have their own command structure because the Ultramarines tried having Guardsmen integrated into the Astartes command chain, and the Captains and Chapter Masters woefully misjudged the Guardsmen's fighting ability and used them in the wrong way. They would use Guardsmen as they would use Space Marines, and obviously failed catastrophically.

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It's a Space Marine problem - there's some fluff somewhere explaining that Imperial Guard regiments fighting alongside the Astartes have their own command structure because the Ultramarines tried having Guardsmen integrated into the Astartes command chain, and the Captains and Chapter Masters woefully misjudged the Guardsmen's fighting ability and used them in the wrong way. They would use Guardsmen as they would use Space Marines, and obviously failed catastrophically.

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Perhaps some Chapters (like the Iron Hands), but I doubt the Ultramarines would make such a mistake.

They're masters of strategy--and that means knowing what all your men and materiel can and can not do. Secondly, we know that the regiments Ultramar raises sometimes fight alongside the Ultramarines.

From the second edition Ultramarines codex, "As a result regiments [from Ultramar] have fought all over the galaxy, often in campaigns alongside the Ultramarines themselves."

I mean, theoretically, they could be under their own command, but the Ultramarines strike me as a Chapter to take complete control over the theater. Their specialty being strategy and logistics, after all.

Then we see Papa Smurf leading Maccrage's PDF in the fight against Hive Fleet Behemoth.
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I would say it depends on the complexity of the organ it should replace,
if it is a relatively simple organ, say a heart which is essentially an electrically driven pump, it would seem logical to replace this with a mechanical counterpart, I would think wrath of iron gives us a nice example of this.
Regarding the eye, since it is in principle a system shaping and partially processing a light field, this should also be simple to replace,
human nerves should also be rather simple to replace by a fiber like technology greatly increasing the response speed (I guess power armor already does this).
Regarding strength, I guess the PA is the limiting factor.
More complex organs on the other hand like special glands, that is another thing to replace these, and probably it is by far not efficient to do this, furthermore the SM body should be the ultimate in genetic engineering.
I agree with MECinq that certainly the autorepair functionality is nearly unreplacable, as is the adaptivity of biological engineering (nids vs necrons ?),
As such I would say it depends on the funcionality but besides some simple processes, it does not seem logical to replace everything (mmh an IH would shoot me for this, but he would probably anyway so screw him)
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Read storm of iron, it defines the issues with bionics really well, plus it's awesome. An arch magos of the mechanicum even states that they are incapable of improving on the body of a space marine. Bionics don't heal naturally, they need a tech priest to repair, plus deminishment of the soul.

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