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I know the canonical reason why their are no female space marines, the Emperor only made male primarchs and as a result only men are viable candidates for gene seed implantation, I want to know the reason that this has never changed, because the only thing that comes to mind is that the folks at game workshop are misogynist bigots and I don't think that is true. The existence of the Sisters of Battle shows me that GW has nothing against women and has no problem with the idea of female warriors. The Imperial Guard has been unbiased for some time and Lt. Mira of Graia shows that you don't need to be a man to have balls in the grim dark future of the 41st millennium.

Yet the sisters of battle are a far cry from the space marines. The only thing that the sisters have over the Astrates is their faith powers, but does that make any sense?

How does canon justify that the Sisters have magical powers derived from their fanatical faith in the Emperor that the Space Marines, the Emperor's Chosen, lack?


It seems to me that in the next edition GW should retcon things. Make it so that orthodox chapters like the Ultramarines are mixed, make the Sister's of Battle an all-female space marine chapter. Then make faith a power that space marines can use but have the sisters of battle (and the black templars) have a bonus when using faith powers.
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Just because I know I am right doesn't mean I expect other people to see it. That would imply that other people are as smart as I am.
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In terms of fluff, Space marines do not believe that the Emperor is a god(which pretty much 100% of all chapters agree on) while pretty much the rest of the imperium belives that he is a god and due to the whole belief systerm in warhammer 40k allows people to perform miricles.
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it seems to me that in the next edition GW should retcon things. Make it so that orthodox chapters like the Ultramarines are mixed, make the Sister's of Battle an all-female space marine chapter. Then make faith a power that space marines can use but have the sisters of battle (and the black templars) have a bonus when using faith powers.
Umm... why?



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Also forgot to add:

Sisters of battle are raised to revere the Emperor so obviously they place alot more faith in him than Astartes do as Astartes learn to revere their primarch(if they know who it is) or the chapters anscensters.
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Short answer is that there are no female space marines nor will there ever be for the same reason there are no Daleks or Ewoks in 40k. That is the background and it is what it is.

I would be very disappointed if they made the Sisters of Battle into "Marines with Jugs" much in the same way I'd be annoyed if those items that make the SoB unique(faith) were incorporated into the SM chapters. Just as you don't need to be a man to have balls, so too you don't need to be a Space Marine either.

The Codices represent the different peoples of the 40k Universe, why blend them into one big melange?

Having said that if you want to model marines with Jugs, by all means do.
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I especially love the dismissive and trivializing verbiage used by fluff nazis. "Marines with jugs" is perhaps one of the most hilariously misogynistic phrases you can throw at the subject, as if breasts were the only thing differentiating men from women. It also serves to parody the idea itself, as though the attempt, intent, and idea itself is completely inane and not worth consideration. Implying that the basis of the idea is trivial and meaningless and ignoring anything else is the biggest roadblock to art. Congratulations on being part of the problem Magpie.

That said, if we go down the road of WOMEN SPACE MARINES this will turn into another 980(4η≥ᵯ⅝√♂≈2ǫ♀)πR page topic about why it can/can't be done. I will simply say this is an interesting idea but because Space Marines don't believe the emperor is a god the acts of faith thing would be a little out of place for them.

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In terms of fluff, Space marines do not believe that the Emperor is a god(which pretty much 100% of all chapters agree on) while pretty much the rest of the imperium belives that he is a god and due to the whole belief systerm in warhammer 40k allows people to perform miricles.

Two things about that statement.

1. Though the Astrates do not believe that the Emperor is a god, they do believe in Him, they believe in His power and in His protection, they just believe that the reason he has this power is not because he is a god but because he is a human being who is so awesome that He may as well be a god. Their faith in Him is no less then the sisters.

2. The space marines are right, the Emperor is not a god. And the sisters are wrong. So why is the sister's blind faith is a non-existent god more potent then the Astrates faith is a real Ubermench?
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Short answer is that there are no female space marines nor will there ever be for the same reason there are no Daleks or Ewoks in 40k. That is the background and it is what it is.

No.

There are no Ewoks or Daleks in 40k because those are trademarks of Lucasfilm and the BBC respectively. There are no female space marines because someone at GW said so. The thing is that their is nothing stopping someone now from saying. "there are female space marines, and their have always been female space marines."

Nothing is preventing someone from retconning the plot so that Lorgar, Magnus, Roboute Gulliman and Rogel Dorn were women.
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