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Default Arik Taranis theory (**Outcast Dead spoilers**)

The Thunder Warrior storyline in The Outcast Dead really got my brain spinning. I developed a little pet theory here that might interest you guys. I am in no way implying "this is the way it is" or anything. It's just for fun.

Arik Taranis is the ur Primarch
. The primarch before there were primarchs. The primarch of the Thunder Warriors, and by extension the ultimate badass primarch. As the Thunder Warriors were the template the big E used to build the Astartes, Arik was the template he used to build the primarchs. Here's my (purely anecdotal) evidence.

- It follows the unspoken rule of 40k : the further you go back in time, the more badass stuff is. In 40k the Astartes are reduced to chapters. Many of them have lost a number of their genetic enhancements. The Imperium is in shambles. The big E is a shell. But if you go back to the HH, you've got full power Astartes; the Imperium is at the top of it's game; the Emperor is ambulatory. If you go alllll the way back in time you end up with the C'Tan and the Necrontyr who are kind of the premier badasses of all time. Further, the Thunder Warriors are clearly stated to be more powerful than Astartes (the era of the TW was before HH). So it's not a giant stretch to assume that the TWs had a demigodlike leader in the form of a prototype primarch.

- In The Outcast Dead, it is stated that in no uncertain terms that there was no other living being in the galaxy save the Emperor himself who could have decoded the secrets of the geneseed as Arik eventually does. And he does it with like a RonCo Chemistry Set. That's a primarch level feat.

- Also in the Outcast Dead, it is strongly implied that the hyperbolic descriptions of the famous TW battles were not hyperbole. There is talk of Arik knocking down the "Azurite Tower" with his bare hands, and participating in mountain-sundering conflicts against techno-warlords. He has a laundry list of battle honors so long that even modern day Astartes are awestruck in his presence. These are the sorts of things you would attribute to a primarch.

- Ghota, his subordinate, fights 5 minor-hero level Astares essentially single-handedly to a stalemate, killing one of them. But he shows complete deference to Arik, implying he knows he is a lesser being.

- It would seem that Arik is at least several centuries old. And despite not being built to have the longevity of Astartes, he is somehow still alive. This seems to imply an extra level of potency you might expect to see from a particularly exceptional version of a TW.

- At the very end of the story when he successfully completes his research into the geneseed and Ghota asks "did it work?". He answers "Yes, my son." This is the sort of way you expect a primarch to address one of his, well, sons.

Edit : forgot one of the most important things. When Arik reveals himself in the temple, he projects an "aura too bright to look upon. His presence had a gravity all it's own, demanding all attention and fear." Atharva, a powerful Thousand Sons psyker "could barely stand to turn his psychic senses on him for fear of being overwhelmed." This is exactly the sort of ensorcellating aura that is associated with primarchs, and the Emperor.

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Your theory is interesting and sound. Sadly, though, this just means BL is making a cool character to be killed off at some point in another book. Mostly cause a rogue primarch(or equivalent) running around hasn't ever been mentioned anywhere in previous histories, so it'll be used in an interesting retcon of some kind. Kinda like "There was this one huge guy who was strong, and he was the reason (Insert HH-related event) happened! Neat, huh? Oh, and then he died."

One question though, could be an oversight on their part or JUST AS PLANNED: How is it that the Emperor doesn't know of this guy if he has such a resounding presence?

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Ok but seriously outcast dead isnt very ....reliable,theres no proof that overall Thunder warriors are superior, other than a thunder warrior saying it, the fight, well many fights in that book were ridiculous like the world eater against the custodes.
also i think soul gazer is right.
and that Fabius Bile could clone (imperfectly) Horus
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Hah, unless Arik is the guy Trazyn has. Somehow. That'd be a way to get rid of him. No, I have no evidence to back this up, it just sounded kinda funny.

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Wow, this is pretty interesting and makes sense.
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Yeah, I don't think Arik would be an actual capital P Primarch. But more like a prototype version of the real thing. You could also spin this sort of like how back in the day Intel used to take 486 DX chips in the factory, sever a few connections to the FPU and market it as the crappier 486 SX. Maybe the Emperor took whatever it is that Arik is, toned a few things down and cranked up the Primarch program. That would be one way of not breaking continuity anyways.

Personally, I think the coolest way to use him in the HH would be as some sort of critical savior figure that never made it into the history books. Like he shows up at a key moment and fights off Angron, Fulgrim and Perturabo at the same time to prevent some super disaster from occurring. That sort of fight would certainly qualify as a "continent shattering" sort of thing that he seems to be familiar with So he maintains his crazy that-has-to-be-a-legend-and-can't-be-real place in the lore. Or hell, toss him into the Eye of Terror and time warp him forward to 40k to play some sort of key role. He kind of comes across as a This Is A Guy That Gets Anything Done character and it would be a shame if they just randomly off him in a dumb way.

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What if he's the "Primarch" of the Custodes?
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What if he's the "Primarch" of the Custodes?
That is EXTREEEEEEEMELY unlikely. Judging by the various comments in The First Heretic, the closest thing the Custodes have to a Primarch is the big E himself, though even he isn't their primarch in the sense of how the real Primarchs are to their legions. The one Custodes, at one point, remarks that they are the Emperor's true or favourite sons or something along those lines and Lorgar refers to them as genetic overspill.

A theory that I believe is that Custodes are possibly what Primarchs would have been without being warp infused. It would also make sense to me, as both the creation of Custodes and Primarchs is a unique process for each individual, as we see in Deliverance Lost when Corax examines the primarch templates.

As for Arik, I think he could have been genetically created to be the leader of the thunder warriors and the Emp gave him that Primarch-like aura to inspire loyalty from the warriors he led. It would make sense to me then how he's been alive for so long despite a TW's limited shelf life, as he was made to be more than just a 'regular' TW.

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As I see the Thunder Warriors, through the lens of TOD, they are physically stronger and more resilient than the Astartes. They really struggle in their fights against their forbearers and looked to be doomed before they were amde the offer in the temple.
Where the Astartes seem to have the edge is mentally. There seems to have been some trade-off made for strength and resilience for mental stability.
Arik could just be someone on whom the transformation process was especially suited, allowing it to work to the fullest of its potential, bestowing seeming extra strength and abilities, just as the Astartes process has different results when used on different people.
As for the Big E not being aware of Arik; who says he's not? We don't know a fraction of what the Emperor knows, or what his plans may be concerning what he knows. He may be leaving Arik for a time, content at what his former Champion is doing. For all that he is astoudingly intelligent and driven, in such climactic times he may still be an irrelevance , although I doubt it.
It may also be that there will be a series about the Scouring when the HH series has finished. we may be seeing the fluff being seeded with characterd who may play a later part in the action, or who may be seen as having something to do with the genesis of later events.
What might be fun is if Valdor is killed during the Siege/Boarding of Horus' flagship, and Arik takes his place as head of Custodes. Not a shred of a hint that this might be the way the story will go, but fun nontheless!

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As I see the Thunder Warriors, through the lens of TOD, they are physically stronger and more resilient than the Astartes. They really struggle in their fights against their forbearers and looked to be doomed before they were amde the offer in the temple.
Where the Astartes seem to have the edge is mentally. There seems to have been some trade-off made for strength and resilience for mental stability.
Arik could just be someone on whom the transformation process was especially suited, allowing it to work to the fullest of its potential, bestowing seeming extra strength and abilities, just as the Astartes process has different results when used on different people.
As for the Big E not being aware of Arik; who says he's not? We don't know a fraction of what the Emperor knows, or what his plans may be concerning what he knows. He may be leaving Arik for a time, content at what his former Champion is doing. For all that he is astoudingly intelligent and driven, in such climactic times he may still be an irrelevance , although I doubt it.
It may also be that there will be a series about the Scouring when the HH series has finished. we may be seeing the fluff being seeded with characterd who may play a later part in the action, or who may be seen as having something to do with the genesis of later events.
What might be fun is if Valdor is killed during the Siege/Boarding of Horus' flagship, and Arik takes his place as head of Custodes. Not a shred of a hint that this might be the way the story will go, but fun nontheless!

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Just going to point this out to you and others, like i constantly do at my local GW store especially to the manager. Valdor wasn't at the siege of Terra as he was still on his way back from Prospero when the battle was being fought.
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