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Sorry, but what logic leads you to that conclusion?

Primarchs and the Emperor don`t fight on TT because they don`t exist as living entities in the current setting, not because they`re too OP for the games. Remember Angron was given White Dwarf rules which were little more than buffed Daemon Prince rules. The Chaos gods don`t exist on TT because their very existence is wholly bound to the warp.

By your logic I can say the Silent King is on par with the Emperor despite the fluff giving us no evience to suggest he is anything more than a necron overlord with higher status than the others.


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Don't be obtuse. It wasn't "a single man", it was the God-Emperor of Mankind, one of the most powerful entities in the entire setting.
So an Emperor of Man who was beaten by his own son, a Primarch, was able to defeat a C'Tan, a race of God-like Creatures in power worshipped by a race that ruled the Galaxy before there was such a thing as even the race of man, let alone a civilisation of man, and then imprison and break it? Right.



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The c`tan were described as being tied to the fundamental fabric of the materium itself and as such they were nigh on impossible to destroy. Even the necrons acknowledged this. The best they could accomplish was to shatter the c`tan and divide their essences into thousands of shards.

These shards are powerful but still very much fallible. It`s a safe assumption that every encounter previously with a "c`tan" was actually an encounter with a shard. Given the description of the things this is not difficult to believe.


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So an Emperor of Man who was beaten by his own son, a Primarch, was able to defeat a C'Tan, a race of God-like Creatures in power worshipped by a race that ruled the Galaxy before there was such a thing as even the race of man, let alone a civilisation of man, and then imprison and break it? Right.
A god-like man, the strongest known psycher, who is eventually worshipped by the largest Empire in the current galactic situation, beats a god-like entity that was tied to the material world and vulnerable to psychic attack.
Not that shocking, especially when we have no idea how this fight actually went down.
Plus, Horus was basically a demigod, pimped out to the extreme by the gods of Chaos when he fought the Emperor... and even then, it's debatable whether he'd actually have done any real damage to the Emperor if the whole father-son relationship hadn't come in to play.

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It's strange that people assume that a person in power would be personally all powerfull on the battlefield. The reason for coming to power can be cunning, charisma, family backing, financial wizardry, murder, brilliance, whatever. It doesn't make you a close combat genius or give you superman abilities.
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Which makes perfect sense in reality and in some 40k factions, but when it comes to the emperor and the primarchs they do seem to be freakish beings that draw inhuman amounts of power latently from the raw psychic energy of the universe, for not even c'tan and carifex's shrug of a power fist to the face, something that russ did with apparent ease.

I do like the fact they are moving away from HQ's being retarded shit brick houses and allowing them to generate army buffs.

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Sorry, but what logic leads you to that conclusion?
The idea that things which can be represented on the table top must adhere to the limits presented there (at least slightly) in their appearances in the fluff. Whereas an individual presented only in the fluff is not so constrained.

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Primarchs and the Emperor don`t fight on TT because they don`t exist as living entities in the current setting, not because they`re too OP for the games.
That's not really the point. Plus, if we look at the things they do in the HH novels, they would be OP in the games. (Unless they cost thousands of points but again, not the point.)

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Remember Angron was given White Dwarf rules which were little more than buffed Daemon Prince rules.
And I feel that was a mistake. The Primarchs are presented in the fluff as being far too powerful to effectively be portrayed on the table top and I'm okay with that.

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By your logic I can say the Silent King is on par with the Emperor despite the fluff giving us no evience to suggest he is anything more than a necron overlord with higher status than the others.
That's not my logic. I never said that anything not presented on the table was equal in power. I said it was greater than what was. So by my logic, the Silent King can mop the floor with a regular overlord.

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Do you think its fair to say then that the Necron Shards are similar to how the Eldar Avatars came to be? I.e shattered peices of their God Khaine?
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