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#1 ·
basic one i know - if only the GK GM has blind grenades and hes in a squad of termies do the grenades affect everyone who assaults them - in rules in states the 'unit equipped with defensive grenades'

ta :)
 
#5 ·
thats sorta why i asked in daemonhunters you could only buy frags/kracks for Justicar so only he would go first in assaults against cover - just wondered if it only affected the models in bsb with the GK GM - however it would make sense for the whole unit to benefit from effects

(on a side note yay 301 posts yay :grin:)
 
#6 ·
The grenades affect the squad so every one assaulting in that unit that has the Justicar in it would go first. Its not like "oh crap the Justicar throw a grenade get down for his attacks then get up to fight everyone else. The assaulted unit all keep their heads down.
 
#7 ·
No- its been in FAQs before that frag grenades only help the model that carries them... if someone has time on their hands they might be able to go find the entry...

Defensive grenades must affect the whole of the assaulting unit, simply for the reason that if they don't there would have to be additional rules for who loses their bonus attacks and who doesnt... that's a real mess that you could get into discussing that one.
Having it affecting the whole unit really is the only sensible way of playing it.
 
#9 · (Edited)
No- its been in FAQs before that frag grenades only help the model that carries them... if someone has time on their hands they might be able to go find the entry...

Defensive grenades must affect the whole of the assaulting unit, simply for the reason that if they don't there would have to be additional rules for who loses their bonus attacks and who doesnt... that's a real mess that you could get into discussing that one.
Having it affecting the whole unit really is the only sensible way of playing it.
Or ofcourse if not the entire unit (or atleast more than half of the unit) has them they dont work?

Edit

Hmmm no let me revise that, if a IC has defencive grenades it can pefectly work only for the member in the unit that are attacking him.
Just as if for instance he would be the only one with assault grenades charging trough terrain.
He would be the only one in the unit attacking on normal initiative he after all for the purpose of cc is considered a seperate unit iirc.
 
#8 ·
thats what I thought - and yes thats why assaulting GK into covered units in old codex was a no no unless from a LRC as everyone got to twat them first :(
 
#10 ·
grenades will only effect the model that is carrying Grenades, for instance for CSM if Typhus (who has both assault & defensive grenades) joined a unit of Termies (no grenades) and he granted the whole unit to have O,D grenades itd be insane.

so in short everyone thats B2B with the Grand Master will be effected by the blind grenades. the GM will not be effected by terrain.
 
#11 ·
Looking at it further, we all know Assault Grenades only effect the model carrying them so that's ok.

But Defensive grenades effect units, Does the unit being assaulted have Defensive grenades? Yes so you lose you bonus attacks. The IC is not a separate unit in the assault phase, he is just treated as one for the purposes of splitting attacks. It would also put you in weird situations where unengaged attackers can either throw 1 attack at the IC but 2 attacks at the rest of the unit.
 
#12 ·
Yeah- there is no option/rules for partially losing attacks due to some models being equipped with defensive grenades. The only 2 possibilities that you could argue for using the rules would be that a single model with defensive grenades is enough (which is what the RAW say, but seems out of step with offensive grenades) or that since the whole unit doesnt have them they cant be used at all (just like certain USRs they would be lost)... but that only has an 'abscence' of rules arguing for it, rather then actual written evidence.
 
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