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so I decided to toy around a bit and see if I could get two lists going with the Mont'ka detachments, and I came up with this.

List 1
"Emperor's fist" armoured company
Techpriest Enginseer.
1st squadron:
Tank commander, Leman russ vanquisher, Lascannon, camo netting.
Leman Russ vanquisher Lascannon, camo netting.
2nd squadron:
Leman Russ battle tank heavy flamer, heavy bolters, camo netting.
3rd squadron
Leman Russ Domolisher Heay bolter, multi melta's, camo netting.
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"Emperor's blade" assault company
Regimental command carapace armour, 2x plasma guns.
veterans 3x melta guns, carapace armour.
veterans 3x plasma guns, carapace armour.
veterans 3x plasma guns, carapace armour.
4 chimera's.
Bane wolf.
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armoured sentinel squadron 2x sentinels, 2x Lascannons.
vendetta Gunship.

List 2
"Emperor's fist" armoured company
Techpriest Enginseer.
1st squadron:
Tank commander, Leman russ vanquisher, Lascannon, camo netting.
Leman Russ vanquisher Lascannon, camo netting.
2nd squadron:
Leman Russ battle tank heavy flamer, heavy bolters, camo netting.
3rd squadron
Leman Russ Domolisher Heay bolter, multi melta's, camo netting.
-
"Emperor's shield" Infantry platoon
platoon command.
5x infantry squads.
armoured sentinel squadron 2x sentinels, 2x Lascannons.
-
veterans 3x plasma guns, carapace armour.
veterans 3x plasma guns, carapace armour.
2x chimera's.
vendetta Gunship.
vendetta Gunship.
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so I decided to toy around a bit and see if I could get two lists going with the Mont'ka detachments, and I came up with this.
Unfortunately neither list is legal, you need to have at least one battle group command section (either a company command squad or tank commander.) That unlocks core sections, which in turn unlock auxiliary ones.

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List 1
"Emperor's fist" armoured company
Techpriest Enginseer.
1st squadron:
Tank commander, Leman russ vanquisher, Lascannon, camo netting.
Leman Russ vanquisher Lascannon, camo netting.
2nd squadron:
Leman Russ battle tank heavy flamer, heavy bolters, camo netting.
3rd squadron
Leman Russ Domolisher Heay bolter, multi melta's, camo netting.
This isn't legal either, you need three squadrons plus a tank commander squadron and at least one tech priest. You need another tank here.

Having said that, I wouldn't bother with the sponsons on the demolisher. I'd consider an executioner for some mid strength anti cover fire.

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"Emperor's blade" assault company
Regimental command carapace armour, 2x plasma guns.
veterans 3x melta guns, carapace armour.
veterans 3x plasma guns, carapace armour.
veterans 3x plasma guns, carapace armour.
4 chimera's.
Bane wolf.
Looks pretty good here, not much to say beyond maybe considering having a hellnound instead of a banewolf.

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armoured sentinel squadron 2x sentinels, 2x Lascannons.
vendetta Gunship.
These guys make your list unbound I believe; not much to say about them really

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veterans 3x plasma guns, carapace armour.
veterans 3x plasma guns, carapace armour.
2x chimera's.
vendetta Gunship.
vendetta Gunship.
If your gonna take all this as unbound elements you might as well look to get a lord commissar or company command squad in and made it a CAD.

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Unfortunately neither list is legal, you need to have at least one battle group command section (either a company command squad or tank commander.) That unlocks core sections, which in turn unlock auxiliary ones.
I am a bit confused what you mean with this? formations can be taken separately in an army for as far as I know.

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This isn't legal either, you need three squadrons plus a tank commander squadron and at least one tech priest. You need another tank here.

Having said that, I wouldn't bother with the sponsons on the demolisher. I'd consider an executioner for some mid strength anti cover fire.


Looks pretty good here, not much to say beyond maybe considering having a hellnound instead of a banewolf.


These guys make your list unbound I believe; not much to say about them really


If your gonna take all this as unbound elements you might as well look to get a lord commissar or company command squad in and made it a CAD.
wouldn't it be that the tank commander is part of one of the squadrons. I might got confused because it just says tank commander.
seems like I will be doing some more reading

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I am a bit confused what you mean with this? formations can be taken separately in an army for as far as I know.
This is an error on my part, I thought you were using the Cadian Battle Group detachment. That requires a Battle Group Command in order to take an Emperor's Fist Armoured Company (which would then let you take the Emperor's Blade.)

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wouldn't it be that the tank commander is part of one of the squadrons. I might got confused because it just says tank commander.
If you look at the tank commander entry in the codex it does say that it is the commander and 1-2 additional tanks for that option. That would mean you need at least 5 tanks in the formation, plus the enginseer. I think some people have or try to argue against that, but I would think that if the commander needing his own squadron was removed it would have been mentioned (in a similar manner like how the Blade formation states veteran and the command squad must take transports.)

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This is an error on my part, I thought you were using the Cadian Battle Group detachment. That requires a Battle Group Command in order to take an Emperor's Fist Armoured Company (which would then let you take the Emperor's Blade.)
that explains it, I was planning more along the lines of the combined arms detachment.


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If you look at the tank commander entry in the codex it does say that it is the commander and 1-2 additional tanks for that option. That would mean you need at least 5 tanks in the formation, plus the enginseer. I think some people have or try to argue against that, but I would think that if the commander needing his own squadron was removed it would have been mentioned (in a similar manner like how the Blade formation states veteran and the command squad must take transports.)
I think the tank commander can easily be argued back and forth. written just vaguely enoughin the Formation entry.
however I think I will be going with your version considering it seems more likely.

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never mind, you are right, the command squadron is a squadron on its own besides the leman russ squadrons, wich should have been way more obvious to me then it was

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Emperor's Blade Formation with Veterans?! How have I not seen this. Internet search commencing...

Unfortunately Canada got rid of the penny and now my two cents rounds down to zero, so...take it for what you will.

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It's pretty cool, and I think you can find it in the war zone Damocles: Mont'ka thread in news and rumours.

Basically a command squad, three vet squads (all four mounted), and 1-3 hell hound squadrons. Objective secured and preferred enemy against units on objectives, the ultimate objective holder formation concept.

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So it is! I even posted it

Gotta be honest though, ObSec on just infantry? Meh. CAD does the same thing but you get ObSec transports at the cost of the Preferred Enemy bubble around Objectives. PE doesn't even do anything for the Hellhounds, but it could help if you love plasmaVets.

I was excited for a minute there! I actually have the gribbles for this Formation at least.

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"Emperor's fist" armoured company
Techpriest Enginseer.
1st squadron:
Tank commander, Leman russ vanquisher, Lascannon, camo netting.
Leman Russ vanquisher Lascannon, camo netting.
2nd squadron:
Leman Russ battle tank heavy flamer, heavy bolters, camo netting.
3rd squadron
Leman Russ Domolisher, Heay bolter, multi melta's, camo netting.
4th squadron
Leman Russ executioner, Plasma cannons, camo netting.
-
"Emperor's blade" assault company
Regimental command carapace armour, 2x plasma guns.
veterans 2x melta guns, carapace armour.
veterans 2x plasma guns, carapace armour.
veterans 3x plasma guns, carapace armour.
4 chimera's.
Bane wolf.
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armoured sentinel squadron 2x sentinels, 2x Lascannons.

that should make this list bound and legal within the combined arms detachment I believe
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That is three Formations, not a Combined Arms Detachment. It is still perfectly Battle Forged though.

A CAD uses the Force Organization Chart and requires two Troops and an HQ selection. Units cannot belong yo more than one Formation/Detachment.

Unfortunately Canada got rid of the penny and now my two cents rounds down to zero, so...take it for what you will.

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