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Possessed die like Marines, have a random ability and cost like 2 Marines each. Do their abilities make one Possessed as good as 2 Marines? No. Anything that costly and random is not a good unit. Howling Banshees cost less and can rip Possessed to bits. There is nothing wrong with a unit not being a good unit, but there a lot of things wrong with overpriced units which do not do their job. And Possessed are too random to be reliable. CSM with Mark of Khorne and Icon of Wrath are actually better (and much cheaper).

It's not about local meta, look at all big tourneys around. CSM (except summonspam & renegade-mix) are below middle, and noone uses Possessed.

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dark, i'm not going to derail this thread. let's say that a casual thrashing happens sometimes. also, let's say that a LOT of possessed in the right setup and with the right buffs can be an hard counter to SOME lists (and have an hard counter to MANY lists - mainly all those lists that have some serious melee/ranged specialist). but what 6-7 possessed can do, 30 respawning, outflanking, fearless cultists can do better. about my meta: orks and space marines. possessed i used (supported, even with a chaos lord beatsitck inside) lose to massed BOLTER fire, die to plasma, are chopped by mobs of Boyz (5 vanilla possessed=20 vanilla choppa boyz) so, yeah. whatever. :D

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Possessed die like Marines, have a random ability and cost like 2 Marines each. Do their abilities make one Possessed as good as 2 Marines? No. Anything that costly and random is not a good unit. Howling Banshees cost less and can rip Possessed to bits. There is nothing wrong with a unit not being a good unit, but there a lot of things wrong with overpriced units which do not do their job. And Possessed are too random to be reliable. CSM with Mark of Khorne and Icon of Wrath are actually better (and much cheaper).

It's not about local meta, look at all big tourneys around. CSM (except summonspam & renegade-mix) are below middle, and noone uses Possessed.
about this, i'm always against comparing things to tourney level lists. tourney levels lists are (let me say this loud and clear, once and for all) utter shit, garbage of the worst level, rules-lawiering made manifest and AGAINST in the spirit of the rules (forge the narrative and beer and pretzels)...this said, i'd be happy to actually be able to field our worst units without being handicapped...
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I agree with you regarding tourney play. However, my local meta is highly competitive, and although I don't aim to win all the time (a Magnus summoning list will do for that), I am sick and tired of both not standing a chance AND my army not representing what it is supposed to. I am very keen to playing several modes (Planetsrtrike, Cityfight etc) and thankfully several players I associate with are willing to play those. Anyways, some further editing:

-CSM, Noise Marines & Havocs are restored to their original points cost and have Bolters, Bolt Pistols & Close Combat Weapons. That's a good representation that no matter the specialty, life in a Warpstorm (and the renegade life in general) has produced more vicious warriors.

-Chaos Land Raiders now have Infernal Machine (the same with the Loyalist Power of the Machine Spirit) and cost 250pts.

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I think it's almost ready. Unless anyone has any further suggestions, I believe the only thing remaining is to go through the older psychic powers and modify the Disciplines of each God. I will also go through the Special Characters in comparison with 30K.

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Hello again guys,

at last, the first part is complete: All codex entries except Special Characters have been updated. However, is is suitable to post the final results (due to itemized costs etc).
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At last, all unit entries (except named characters) are updated :D :D :D Edited original post accordingly ;) Now to write down the Wargear, special rules and Legion sections...

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