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post #51 of 74 (permalink) Old 10-27-11, 08:20 AM
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LOL your the one claiming 12 million players in a game as of our current date but your source is over a year old, and im the one whos delusional?

when I was playing, I watched 3 servers go from over filled, to practically empty, before I left, I was having issues as a tank finding groups in the LFG.

Fact is: a good portion of people who "sub" for wow practically only do so to 'raid' with their friends, the moment all their friends leave for SWTOR, they will too, and that will take a huge toll on WoW.

if you seriously need more proof that WoW is dieing then their struggleing during this years Blizzcon to announce stuff to prevent it from dieing, then I think your the one whos delusional.
Ah you're the best (and it is you're as in 'you are' not your as that is possessive), the best crazies never give up on their theories, you think WoW lost 7 million active subs in a year? That would be a pretty epic crash, over half the user base gone. That kind of catastophfuck would get reported, feel free to show us where.

Like I say you're nothing but a fan boy scorned as you point out, you had no friends to raid with so you packed up your toys in a huff. The internet hath no fury like a fan boys scorned.

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Ah you're the best (and it is you're as in 'you are' not your as that is possessive), the best crazies never give up on their theories, you think WoW lost 7 million active subs in a year? That would be a pretty epic crash, over half the user base gone. That kind of catastophfuck would get reported, feel free to show us where.

Like I say you're nothing but a fan boy scorned as you point out, you had no friends to raid with so you packed up your toys in a huff. The internet hath no fury like a fan boys scorned.
You are under the assumption that WoW was banking on the 12 million number.

the highest number they have hit was just over 12 million at one time, according to them. this has absolutely NOTHING to do with their "core users", as that term would be used for those who stick with the game.

your thought patterns on this matter are associating the 12 million number with Core Users, but truth be told, the amount of "core users" by which I am referencing players who stuck around for more then a month / two months after cataclysm hit, is easily closer to only 8 million.

Add to that, I do not think I have EVER seen a company openly announce their own failure, but the signs of WoW coming to an end are apparent, yet you ignore anything I say, call me crazy, state a peaked number is the number of Core users within a game, when that number was taken at a time period where the numbers of subscribers to their game was rapidly growing in anticipation of the new expansion for their core audience, being NA and Oceanic serverbases, along with the high point of the wake from the launch of WotLK in the asian markets.

I dont need to show you anything, your clearly seeing WoW through rose coloured glasses and would dismiss anything I said anyway, bringing back that peaked number that was only for a small time frame.

World of Warcraft's "core" playerbase makes up approximately 8 million including the Asian Markets. that is approximately how much of the WoW playerbase that blizzard is actually accounting in their numbers as to weather they are a sucess or not, using that large peaked number as a "milestone" as a number they have surpassed of active subs at a single point in which their number of active subs was at its highest, NOT the number of their core playerbase.

Point being, you see an announced number for their milestone and jump on it as truth, you ignore clear proof I have given and ask me to show you what, Blizzard telling the world openly that World of Warcraft is dieing?

go take a beginners class in Marketing, and use your fucking brain, since you clearly have no clue as to anything that isnt fed to you through the controlled, sensored feeds and "news". Better yet, go watch the american Fox news, you will atleast get some entertainment out of the bullshit being fed to you.

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here, ill throw some 'viewed proof' your way.

http://torwars.com/2011/09/06/swtor-...s-on-tatooine/

purely speaking about World of Warcrafts newest expansion, Cataclysm, had about 550k pre-orders. that was a few months ago.

http://www.vgchartz.com/preorders.php?date=40839

this is the current pre order chart. Notice, that SWTOR is almost at 700k pre orders, according to this chart.

I think we can safely say that the number of SWTOR pre orders has surpassed the number of pre orders of Cataclysm.

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Battle of the fanboys. Same old pre-launch fun in the MMO world. Pre-order numbers in MMO's always plummet (because of cancellations) at the last minute before launch, if people aren't happy about a game. And it's safe to say most of my friends who are playing ToR in beta are unhappy with it's buggy self.

The game is using the same game engine as Faxion Online ffs.

Not saying it will bomb of course. Some if not most people always carry through and end up cancelling their sub a month after release instead. Fool's faith I guess.

I think for hardcore gamers, the only AAA MMO's worthy of note next year is The Secret World and Guild Wars 2. I severely doubt SW:ToR can hold the masses for 5 whole months before TSW launches/ 6 months before TERA(ble) launches.

I think BioWare's estimation of 500k average subs for the future is solid.

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blah blah blah, GW2 this, GW2 that, seriously, GW2 means nothing in this kind of conversation as its not based upon subscriptions, and like its predecessor, I think I can safely say that it will be lacking the objects in which the subscription pays for, IE: heavy content updates, balance patches, customer support.

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Battle of the fanboys.
Best thing is I have never played WoW and will never play Star Wars. I just like poking him with a stick because it amuses me to see him angry.


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World of Warcraft's "core" playerbase makes up approximately 8 million including the Asian Markets. that is approximately how much of the WoW playerbase that blizzard is actually accounting in their numbers as to weather they are a sucess or not, using that large peaked number as a "milestone" as a number they have surpassed of active subs at a single point in which their number of active subs was at its highest, NOT the number of their core playerbase.

Point being, you see an announced number for their milestone and jump on it as truth, you ignore clear proof I have given and ask me to show you what, Blizzard telling the world openly that World of Warcraft is dieing?
Wait you said it was 5 Million a minute ago at least get your made up facts consistent. Core player base is irrelevant, active subs is relevant as that is money in the door. Oh and 'someone said it on the internet' is not actual proof you know, you need to cite sources, like I did. So go and do that now like a good fanboy, on you run.

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Amaro, thanks for proving yourself as a complete tool, notice i said that WoW's CORE playerbase makes up approximately 8 million? I also said that currently WoW is sitting at aproximately 5 million active subs currently?

the 5 million number was an approximation of active players at the current time, meaning real people sitting behind the screen. 8 million accounts for people who have quit and will not be resubscribing, players who have multiple accounts because they can, "Gold Farming" accounts, etc. in other words, accounts that will die off soon, die off when that 'person' leaves for another game, or be stopped when they owners can not use their accounts to regain enough money to pay for said subscription. Etc.

Core player base is a Term, want one thats more descriptive? fine, CONTINUAL ACTIVE SUBSCRIPTIONS. they both mean the same thing, refering the base of players that is not in fluxuation. WoW is not sitting steady at 12M, it peaks and ebbs like waves crashing upon a shore. The 12 M was like a tsunami force wave hitting the shores of Blizzard-Activision. it is not the waters height. the waters height is around 8 million, hence the CORE PLAYER BASE term.

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Amaro, thanks for proving yourself as a complete tool, notice i said that WoW's CORE playerbase makes up approximately 8 million? I also said that currently WoW is sitting at aproximately 5 million active subs currently?

the 5 million number was an approximation of active players at the current time, meaning real people sitting behind the screen. 8 million accounts for people who have quit and will not be resubscribing, players who have multiple accounts because they can, "Gold Farming" accounts, etc. in other words, accounts that will die off soon, die off when that 'person' leaves for another game, or be stopped when they owners can not use their accounts to regain enough money to pay for said subscription. Etc.

Core player base is a Term, want one thats more descriptive? fine, CONTINUAL ACTIVE SUBSCRIPTIONS. they both mean the same thing, refering the base of players that is not in fluxuation. WoW is not sitting steady at 12M, it peaks and ebbs like waves crashing upon a shore. The 12 M was like a tsunami force wave hitting the shores of Blizzard-Activision. it is not the waters height. the waters height is around 8 million, hence the CORE PLAYER BASE term.
I'm not sure who Amaro is, but I'm going to answer on his behalf CanItAssMan

But seeing's how you're just plucking these numbers out of the air they're equally meaningless. I could say WoW has 46 Million players right now and it's just as valid as the numbers you're stating. Like a say feel free to cite some sources and stop waving your hands and making up some arbitrary numbers.

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Just for the record, Hellgate London was pretty awesome in gameplay. The fact it's still pretty popular in Japan and Korea, and Hellgate Resurrection should hopefully bring it back over here says quite something. The only reason it bombed was as EA and the studio tried an untested payment model that people didn't react well to.

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I just watched this video and all I have to say is WoW is almost at an end, they have beat this horse so long that it has finally start its on end, the core players will always be there, but soon they will have to step up and make a new (dare I say) game. WoW is to me lately has been like watching a train wreck that no matter how gruesome it gets you just can't stop watching.

I still prefer that actual RTS warcraft anyday over its annoying money grubing counterpart, blizzard was a good company and after seeing where D3 and WC are headed I no longer wanna ever buy another Blizzard game again sadly.

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