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Default Help - Looking for a new computer

Please! I know fuck all about this stuff.

So... I've been on PCSpecialist.co.uk, as they apparently build all your design then ship and install it for you. I could do with one that will allow me to sit and play some fun games etc, but not be too expensive, living as I do in Manchester, so that the insurance won't be that high.

Any how - this is what I currently have up on the suggestions.

Intel Core I5-2400 Quad Core (3.1Ghz, 6MB Cache) with HD Graphics
ASUS P8P67 (NEW REV 3.0), USB 3.0, SATA 6GB, CrossfireX
4GB Samsung DDR3 Dual DDR3 1333 (2x2GB)
1GB ATI Radeon HD5770 DVI HDMI DX11
1TB Serial ATA 3GB Hard Drive with 16MB Cache (7.2K RPM)
24x Dual Layer DVD Writer +R/+RW/RAM
450W Quiet 80 Plus Dual Rail PSU+120mm Case Fan
Super Quiet 22dBA Triple Copper Heatpipe CPU Cooler
Onboard 6 Channel (5.1) High Def Audio
Onboard 10/100/1000 Gigabit Lan Port
6x USB Ports in Back, 2 in front
Windows Home Premium 64bit Licence and DVD
Office 2010
Iiyama 27" Widescreen Monitor, HDMI/DVI-D HD 1920x1080
HDMI Cable
Logitech Wireless Keyboard and Mouse
Logitech Speakers
External Hard Drive
3 Year Warranty

= 993, inc Vat and Delivery

I'm looking for capability to play games like BF3 , Shogun 2, and Skyrim at fairly high, if not maximum settings.

I do have some questions though.

1. Is the difference in Processors a further +.3 GHz and +2MB Cache worth +100?
2. What's SLI? Is it worth +28? Why's NVIDIA SLI more expensive (+40 instead of +28?)
3. Is 4GB a good enough amount of memory? If not, what is? Doubling it adds about 50 each time; is it worth it? Bear in mind I have a 1TB Hard Drive I can use for memory.
4. How good is the Graphics Card? Would a second one be worth it? It's a further 80 to do so.
5. Hard Drive - 1TB + 1 External Should be enough? I wouldn't need another?
6. What is RAID? How relevant is it to me? And what are the practical differences between Striped and Mirrored that would effect your bog standard end user? It's only 9.
7. How good is the power supply?
8. What are the differences between W7 Home Premium, Professional, and Ultimate? And is it worth getting one over the other?


That'sall thanks! Really appreciate any help.

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Consider a GeForce GTX 470 instead, they make better drivers, released more frequently, with better support and compatibility - and with ATi many games are unplayable a week or two after launch. Just look at Brink, Rift, Shogun 2, Civ V etc. It's also much better bang for the buck! (It's 25 more for a card scoring over twice as much on performance)

You should also get a bit more powerful PSU, it's IMO the most vital component in your computer and you will need headroom. (PSU's lose amperage over time)

Also, when selecting RAM, don't just look at frequency. Latency is the most important thing to pay attention to, and the lower the numbers are (CL4, CL8, CL9 etc) the better. Basically in a nutshell, Frequency is how much data a RAM chip can transport at once, Latency is the reaction time between transfers. A balance between the two is the only way to think, or it becomes a bottleneck.

Hard Drive: Unless you're into heavy downloading, I don't think you need 1TB or more. I'm a music producer and still struggle to use a TB. Look at RPM instead if you're getting a traditional disk, if it's under 7200 RPM it's going to be really slow and even 7,2K is stretching it IMO. Consider a Solid State drive to install your system and currently played game on to dramatically decrease your boot-up time as well as your gameplay loading times. (Loading screens, hate them!)

Other than that, I think you're set!

Oh, another thing though, I hope you plan to sit quite far away from your screen as 27" is quite a bit. I've got a 24" 16:10 screen which I'm 1m away from to get peripheral vision on the outskirts of it. I'd imagine with a 27" you should be 1m30cm away.

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So... I've been on PCSpecialist.co.uk, as they apparently build all your design then ship and install it for you. I could do with one that will allow me to sit and play some fun games etc, but not be too expensive, living as I do in Manchester, so that the insurance won't be that high.

Any how - this is what I currently have up on the suggestions.

Intel Core I5-2400 Quad Core (3.1Ghz, 6MB Cache) with HD Graphics
ASUS P8P67 (NEW REV 3.0), USB 3.0, SATA 6GB, CrossfireX
4GB Samsung DDR3 Dual DDR3 1333 (2x2GB)
1GB ATI Radeon HD5770 DVI HDMI DX11
1TB Serial ATA 3GB Hard Drive with 16MB Cache (7.2K RPM)
24x Dual Layer DVD Writer +R/+RW/RAM
450W Quiet 80 Plus Dual Rail PSU+120mm Case Fan
Super Quiet 22dBA Triple Copper Heatpipe CPU Cooler
Onboard 6 Channel (5.1) High Def Audio
Onboard 10/100/1000 Gigabit Lan Port
6x USB Ports in Back, 2 in front
Windows Home Premium 64bit Licence and DVD
Office 2010
Iiyama 27" Widescreen Monitor, HDMI/DVI-D HD 1920x1080
HDMI Cable
Logitech Wireless Keyboard and Mouse
Logitech Speakers
External Hard Drive
3 Year Warranty

= 993, inc Vat and Delivery
AH! PC Specialist! Good choice.

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1. Is the difference in Processors a further +.3 GHz and +2MB Cache worth +100?
Not for your requirements no, it would make little difference.
An i7 would be better but you can stick to the i5 if you want as they are cheaper by some way.

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2. What's SLI? Is it worth +28? Why's NVIDIA SLI more expensive (+40 instead of +28?)
SLi is the process of TwinLinked GPU's (Graphical Processing Units - Graphics Cards) Essentially it is sticking two graphics cards in your Rig to increase its capability to process graphical information for things like games and video's. Similar to putting another stick of RAM in the speed up your PC.

SLi is Nvidia's version of this. Crossfire is ATi's. Pricing difference is a manufacturer price war, so pretty much ignore it as there is little to no difference.

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3. Is 4GB a good enough amount of memory? If not, what is? Doubling it adds about 50 each time; is it worth it? Bear in mind I have a 1TB Hard Drive I can use for memory.
4Gb will be sufficient for you i should think but as you have listed a 64Bit OS then for for 6GB - 8GB just to make sure.
32Bit OS's cannot take more than 4GB of RAM where as 64Bit OS's can take whatever the Motherboard will allow.

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4. How good is the Graphics Card? Would a second one be worth it? It's a further 80 to do so.
If you want to run games as mentioned at high to highest settings then TwinLinked GPU's are essential.
Manufacturer is based purely on opinion as they are pretty much equal these days. I myself prefer Nvidia.
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Consider a GeForce GTX 470 instead, they make better drivers, released more frequently, with better support and compatibility - and with ATi many games are unplayable a week or two after launch. Just look at Brink, Rift, Shogun 2, Civ V etc. It's also much better bang for the buck! (It's 25 more for a card scoring over twice as much on performance)
I agree with this^ Wholeheartedly.

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5. Hard Drive - 1TB + 1 External Should be enough? I wouldn't need another?
That really comes down to personal choice depending in what you store on a regular basis and how much of it there is.
A good starting point is 1TB / 1.5TB / External 1TB.
This setup provides maximum storage capabilities, the option to store specific types of files on different hard drives.

Here is how i do it:-

1 TB OS HDD has Critical Programs and Games.
2TB Second HDD is for Video/Music/Image/Storage.
3TB External is a Network Drive.

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6. What is RAID? How relevant is it to me? And what are the practical differences between Striped and Mirrored that would effect your bog standard end user? It's only 9.
RAID is Redundant Array of Independent Disks. It provides better storage functions and reliability. In essence it makes 2 or more HDD's act as one.
They require alot of attention and to be setup properly so methinks you want to avoid it. Just stick to getting 2 HDD's.

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7. How good is the power supply?
O_o GAH! That puny thing would explode in seconds! I recommend a 750Watt or higher. 1000Watt being best in this case.

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8. What are the differences between W7 Home
Premium, Professional, and Ultimate? And is it worth getting one over the other?
The only real differences are the programs that come with it.
Generally 7Home is enough for the casual user.
Premium being a slightly better version if you want things like the Aero interface, Media Centre and MultiTouch.
7Pro is aimed at enthusiasts and Business users so is not really what you want.
7Ultimate is the home users version of 7Enterprise which is a better version of 7Pro.
Given all this i would recommend you go with 7Premium.


That should be all but if i have missed anything or you are confused or just plain have no idea then let me know and i will clarify for you.

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in answer to no 2, SLI is haveing 2 identical Nvidia graphics cards working together I.E 2x GTX 480 1gb cards in sli mode will give 2 GB graphics memoury. Nvidia is more pricey due to there cards costing more (and the extra cost will be for the motherboard to be upgraded to an SLI/crossfire* motherboard and not an extra card), so will need 2 graphics cards. Also will need a more powerfull PSU for dual graphics cards

*Crossfire is the ATI version of SLI, so with the above build it would be +28 for the board upgrade, then add another 5770 ati card.

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Intel Core I5-2400 Quad Core (3.1Ghz, 6MB Cache) with HD Graphics
I would go with an AMD processor, a lot more bang for the buck.

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ASUS P8P67 (NEW REV 3.0), USB 3.0, SATA 6GB, CrossfireX
Love ASUS, it is what I always use

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4GB Samsung DDR3 Dual DDR3 1333 (2x2GB)
I would have to see the rest of the stats.
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1GB ATI Radeon HD5770 DVI HDMI DX11
I hate ATI, go with a NVIDIA GTX X70+

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24x Dual Layer DVD Writer +R/+RW/RAM
BluRay?

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Wireless suck for gaming, I would grab a Logitech G series or Razor combo
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AMD might be cheaper, but never use the phrases "AMD" and "Bang for the buck" in the same sentence. They are generally less reliable, less powerful, less optimized - and only sit at a fraction under the competition's prices.

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AMD might be cheaper, but never use the phrases "AMD" and "Bang for the buck" in the same sentence. They are generally less reliable, less powerful, less optimized - and only sit at a fraction under the competition's prices.
While they may not be quite as optimized stock, there's no fun in running stock.
They're no less powerful these days, and sure as hell not any less reliable. In my experience, they'll survive a whole lot more in the way of ridiculous overclocking and the like.

These days it's pretty much personal preference. Sure, AMD don't innovate as much but they're definitely no worse. Besides, why innovate for the sake of it when what you have works fine?

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