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post #11 of 37 (permalink) Old 04-27-11, 12:20 AM
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Don't bother with PS3's.

They're shit, the online community is shit - lesson learned.
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I don't know the best about Cracking the hardware, but something somewhere inside it will relate to PSN. Don't be that naive.

Yes, because we all believe circumstance = facts. However, if you're willing to go down that route, why are you certain it's not to do with hacking the hardware, after their eagerness to retaliate after the injunctions against George Hotz? You've said one, then countered it with another.
Yes the circumstance of threats of an attack followed by an attack. Seems kinda silly to say "well they were not there firing the guns so they might be innocent" That added on top of the quotes following the attack. Evidence points to Anon, you can deny it thats cool for you but seriously if someone threatens to blow my house up then my house blows up a week later who do you think i'm going to go look for? Circumstance only goes so far.

Cracking the home system has nothing to do with cracking PSN, Hotz was taken down due to opening the home system up to piracy as well as allowing unauthorized software to be loaded on to the home clients. Naivety has nothing to do with it, it's a basic understanding of computer security. Anything that is attached to the internet is vulnerable and will fall to an attack, system hardening can help deter attacks but given enough time and computers any system will fail.
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I'm not denying it. I'm saying I don't have proof and neither do you. You have circumstance from a load of jokers. Stop being a prick.

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How exactly am I being a prick about this, I have not made any personnal attacks against you or anyone else posting here. I've posted an opinion based on things that can be proved(the threat from anon to sony, the comments after the attack). I know you've been here forever but calling my a prick does not help anything.
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Blowing the discussion out of proportion; that's being a prick. You made it sound like it's proven fact it was Anon - which was nothing of the sort. I asked how can you blame anon when you have no facts, and then sort of moved on with my life - the fact remains, it was able to be hacked, and Sony did fuck all about it.

Regardless of who hacked it, the fault remains firmly at the developers feet for allowing it to happen.

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Blowing the discussion out of proportion; that's being a prick. You made it sound like it's proven fact it was Anon - which was nothing of the sort. I asked how can you blame anon when you have no facts, and then sort of moved on with my life - the fact remains, it was able to be hacked, and Sony did fuck all about it.

Regardless of who hacked it, the fault remains firmly at the developers feet for allowing it to happen.
Awesome thanks for stooping to name calling for me answering your arguements, thats cool.

That last comment there though shows that you have no concept of computer security when applied to internet based applications you can harden a system but there is NO way to make it hacker proof. Seriously when did we stop using personal accountability, if a system is hacked it is the hacker's fault.

I'm not saying you dont have a right to be pissed, hell even be pissed at Sony for taking too long to notify that information may have been comprimised but at the same time you cannot place blame on Sony for being hacked.

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How do you come up with this being negligence on Sony's part? I'm just curious as to the throught process on this.

I would think the blame for the outage and the loss of information in the attack should fall soley on Anon's door, I'm not sure how much you know about how all this works but there really is no sure defense against attacks on the internet other then to just not be connected to it. On top of that a DDos with the amount of clients we are looking at is not something that can be defended against other then just to shut down the servers until it stops.
Quite simply, WHY THE FLUFFY BLUE FUCK are Sony keeping personal details evidently unencrypted, unprotected and openly accessible on an outside-accessible server?

Everything I've heard about this suggests they took little to no security measures in protecting this information, if it can be accessed like this. How one of the world's foremost tech companies can fuck something like that up, I'm interested in knowing.


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That last comment there though shows that you have no concept of computer security when applied to internet based applications you can harden a system but there is NO way to make it hacker proof. Seriously when did we stop using personal accountability, if a system is hacked it is the hacker's fault.
As I've said above, it is on the part of the developer to protect critical and high-risk information from being accessed by an intruder. Nothing is impenetrable, but you'd think they'd at least take care of this kind of information.


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and why was all the info kept together? most other online accounts have the credit details on a seperate server, for sercuity reasons, so if the the main server does get hacked, the hackers only get part of the info, and not all of it.
Anon (whoever the fuck they are) may have hacked the system, but sony is still to blame for haveing shit sercurity, and not being ready for any possible attacks, and from reading between the lines, ignoring any threats they recived

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well im gutted because i downloaded red dead redemption expansion pack on the 18th using my credit card
so if they got any details
im top of the fucking list.
as for psn being down, i wish they had just been straight with us from the start and more importantly given us an eta for when it would be back

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Yeah, i think whats upset everyone more than the black out, is the time it took sony to come forward and say "look we're sorry but all your accounts have been have hacked and you credit details may be in the hands of hackers".
I dont buy there line of only just discovering the confidental details may have been hacked, most companys have safguards in place that alert em right away to any breachs like that

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