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The best way to ensure that the company continues to make quality games is by voting with your money. When I worked at Gamestop I had plenty of people who refused to pre-order a game because the last game by that studio was bad. Follow that example and don't think that these companies are out to do anything beyond make a buck.
Except that some of us have the ability to tell if a game is GOING TO BE bad. Being proactive, not reactive. I heard about SimCity's focus and online component beforehand, which melted away all interest in the game. Nothing bought, nothing lost. Not only did the game have a horrendous start, but it's also gotten crap reviews. Not even mentioning the highway robbery business model.

It's just that it's extremely rare for gamers to have critical thought.

There are a lot of things you can tell from a game just reading between the lines. People need to block out the catchphrases and look at things with more discerning looks.

Like the latest Duke Nukem? I totally called it was going to be ass. Which is only one example. The games I HAVE pre-ordered in the past 5 years I can count on one hand:

-The Secret World with $200 lifetime sub. Never regretted it, perhaps best gaming decision of my life.

-Skyrim.

-XCOM

-Dishonoured

Games like Assassin's Creed, CoD, BF3-4, Dead Space, "Insert Movie Spin-off Here", Final Fantasies, "Insert generic MMO here", etc. and other such franchises that are on a 2-3 year release cycle, those games nobody should ever pre-order, wait for reviews.

2-3 year development cycles alone is a good enough pointer that there is a 50% chance of über suck.

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Except Assassin's Creed has, for the most part, been consistent in game quality, IMO. All of them are great. Again, that is IMO. Even Assassins Creed 3, which everyone knows has its flaws. Ending sucked, but that doesn't make the entire game bad. The Battlefield games have been great as well. Both Campaign wise, and multiplayer wise. I'd pre-order them without any doubt. If I end up getting screwed at some point, lesson learned, and I won't pre-order them again. But I have yet to be disappointed overall.

The rest, i'm inclined to agree with you on.

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Like the latest Duke Nukem? I totally called it was going to be ass. Which is only one example.
Please. Everyone knew that was going to be ass. Gearbox even said they they were just finishing the game they were given so they could make new ones. Part of their contract with buying the rights was Duke Forever needed to be released before a knew game could launch.

Looking at videos and reading between the lines isn't some Super Power. If anything it just means you're a jaded gamer.

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2-3 year development cycles alone is a good enough pointer that there is a 50% chance of über suck.
If a long development cycle meant a game would be good, Duke would have been the best game ever.

New IP's need about a 5 year dev cycle. Sequels only need a 2-3 year dev cycle unless a MASSIVE overhaul is being done to the game, like changing the base mechanics of the game (going from FPS to TPS or something) or migrating to a next gen platform.

Oh and Pre-ordering Bethesda games? You've got a 50% chance of them not even working on Day 1, forget about just sucking.

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BTW I forgot about this little tid bit on Pre-Ordering. It's a little known fact but just because you pre-ordered a game doesn't mean you have to pick it up. Shocking I know, but you can pre-order a game to get the bonuses and then wait for some reviews to come out before you get it.

Shocking but you don't HAVE to pick up the game on day 1.

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Except Assassin's Creed has, for the most part, been consistent in game quality, IMO. All of them are great. Again, that is IMO. Even Assassins Creed 3, which everyone knows has its flaws. Ending sucked, but that doesn't make the entire game bad. The Battlefield games have been great as well. Both Campaign wise, and multiplayer wise. I'd pre-order them without any doubt. If I end up getting screwed at some point, lesson learned, and I won't pre-order them again. But I have yet to be disappointed overall.

The rest, i'm inclined to agree with you on.
Assassin's Creed? Aside from some crappy minigames, the game has remained unchanged essentially since Brotherhood. The stories are batshit crazy as well. What happened at first was cool. Then "dood, fucken ALIENS, man" and it became the difference of why Cod 4 and Medal of Honour 2010 were awesome, but MW2 and Warfighter were shite; namely the "save the world" rubbish. Oddly, despite the stupid hamfisted way of "here's the sniping mission, and here's the plane mission" alongside the fucking horrendous timing and placement of the missions for the storyline, BF3 storyline was, if not credible, enjoyable for the most part. I loved the chase through Paris bit. AC on the other hand could have removed the aliens and it would still be cool.

I've played, but haven't purchased AC3, won't get 4. Probably won't until it becomes Hitman's Creed and that Princess Diana and JFK become part of the plot.

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Assassin's Creed? Aside from some crappy minigames, the game has remained unchanged essentially since Brotherhood. The stories are batshit crazy as well. What happened at first was cool. Then "dood, fucken ALIENS, man" and it became the difference of why Cod 4 and Medal of Honour 2010 were awesome, but MW2 and Warfighter were shite; namely the "save the world" rubbish. Oddly, despite the stupid hamfisted way of "here's the sniping mission, and here's the plane mission" alongside the fucking horrendous timing and placement of the missions for the storyline, BF3 storyline was, if not credible, enjoyable for the most part. I loved the chase through Paris bit. AC on the other hand could have removed the aliens and it would still be cool.

I've played, but haven't purchased AC3, won't get 4. Probably won't until it becomes Hitman's Creed and that Princess Diana and JFK become part of the plot.
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Please. Everyone knew that was going to be ass. Gearbox even said they they were just finishing the game they were given so they could make new ones. Part of their contract with buying the rights was Duke Forever needed to be released before a knew game could launch.

Looking at videos and reading between the lines isn't some Super Power. If anything it just means you're a jaded gamer.



If a long development cycle meant a game would be good, Duke would have been the best game ever.

New IP's need about a 5 year dev cycle. Sequels only need a 2-3 year dev cycle unless a MASSIVE overhaul is being done to the game, like changing the base mechanics of the game (going from FPS to TPS or something) or migrating to a next gen platform.

Oh and Pre-ordering Bethesda games? You've got a 50% chance of them not even working on Day 1, forget about just sucking.

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BTW I forgot about this little tid bit on Pre-Ordering. It's a little known fact but just because you pre-ordered a game doesn't mean you have to pick it up. Shocking I know, but you can pre-order a game to get the bonuses and then wait for some reviews to come out before you get it.

Shocking but you don't HAVE to pick up the game on day 1.
that doesnt work for the poor people pre ordering from steam
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Also, TotalBiscuit is probably the lamest person in game consumerism, ever since his beta 'coverage' of The Secret World in a livestream, I have hated his ignorant guts. Why would you play a game you have no insight in, and pass unfair, ignorant judgment on it with an audience of hundreds of thousands? Fuck that guy.
Unbiased and subjective reviews (As all reviews are) of things are bad. You heard it here first, ladies and gentlemen, and fuck anyone who has a different opinion.

Seriously. TB is well known for being unbiased and speaking his mind no matter who releases or makes a game, and frequently goes into a game entirely blind and without prejudice, as the majority of consumers do. If anything, this is the BEST way to look at a game from a p/review standpoint.


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Unbiased and subjective reviews (As all reviews are) of things are bad. You heard it here first, ladies and gentlemen, and fuck anyone who has a different opinion.

Seriously. TB is well known for being unbiased and speaking his mind no matter who releases or makes a game, and frequently goes into a game entirely blind and without prejudice, as the majority of consumers do. If anything, this is the BEST way to look at a game from a p/review standpoint.
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Unbiased and subjective reviews (As all reviews are) of things are bad. You heard it here first, ladies and gentlemen, and fuck anyone who has a different opinion.

Seriously. TB is well known for being unbiased and speaking his mind no matter who releases or makes a game, and frequently goes into a game entirely blind and without prejudice, as the majority of consumers do. If anything, this is the BEST way to look at a game from a p/review standpoint.
Not for niche games that are made for a certain demographic. It was painfully obvious TB wasn't anywhere near already interested in similar subject matter, so in The Secret World's case it was just pure sabotage, as he passed himself off as someone who was part of the target audience.

You don't send Mr. Average Gamer to play EVE online and use his casual Call of Duty standpoint to 'review' a game where the first hint of character progression is after 6 months. Same for The Secret World, where backstory, the unique setting and atmosphere is 60% of the game, and if you didn't already have an interest in it you should KNOW you won't like the game.

Hell, the fucknut even complained about the animations, which were a concious design decision to allow players full freedom of movement at all times. All he could complain about was how the animations weren't action-casual-guild-warsy stuck-in-animation choreography-like. BECAUSE IT'S NOT LIKE THAT WAS INTENTIONAL YOU GIANT COCK.


Maybe total ignorance is great and all for 90% of games, but being a bad gamer and generally very casual and regressive shouldn't be something that is sought after in a reviewer.

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Ah, got it. Everything you like is flawless and may not under any circumstances have valid criticisms based on preference made against it. Silly me.

As for people playing a game like Eve? Hell, I suggest everyone tries the game. If they don't like it? Fine. That's completely their perogative. If they don't like something about it, awesome. I'd like to hear what it is they don't like and their outlook. It's interesting to hear other perspectives, not to mention it gives me something to potentially work on making more accessible and easier to get into as the head of a corp willing to train new players. If they really don't like it? Still totally valid.

You see, you're not part of some special super-secret club for liking a game like Secret World or Eve. You're a player. A customer. Nothing more. Get the everloving, fluffy blue fuck over yourself if you think otherwise.

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Right. Trying new things is bad. Gotcha.

You just appear to have a highly self-important worldview. It's okay. Some people like that. And hell, it's comedy value for the rest of us.

As for character progression taking six months to even make a dent? You and I clearly haven't played the same Eve Online. People who say things like that get wrecked by a bunch of fun-loving day-one players. Trust me. I'm the one leading those new kids into hostile space and getting them to shoot anything that moves.


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