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It has been made more aparrent lately that in a way developers are starting to rip off their customers with this whole DLC thing. When it all started it was a great idea, developers could at a later time release new exansions and content to breathe life back into an old game, but now we are seeing an abuse that is occurring more and more frequently. Imagine you went and bought a new SM tactical squad box, and in the box the sprue with all ten of the models' heads came in a locked box with a note saying, send GW 10 more dollars and you can have the key to add heads to your models. This may seem a bit silly and completely elaborate, but it is something that is becomeing very common with newly released games these days.

Instead of seeing DLC being made to add to the game, we are beginning to see DLC that is made available at the day of launch, which is commonly offered the day of purcahse for a few extra dollars, is that worng, no not really, however, it is becoming a common practice by developers to include this DLC right on that whopping $60 disc you purchased and all you are paying the developer for is the key to access it.

It has been discovered by a hacker that, the day of lauch DLC for Mass Effect 3 was already completed and done, but it has been on the disc the entire time, in other words the consumer has already purchased the DLC, but the developer is telling you to pay extra to use it. If that doesn't catch any attention try this one. The PS Vita version of SF X Tekken is going to include up to 12 new characters and other content that is not included on the console release of the game, the developers came out to say, hey we are going to give the console players this new content in the form of DLC, but there is one issue that exists, this content is actually complete and done, their is no more develoing for the content and here is the catch, its already on the disc, thats right if you have SF X Tekken, there lies 12 new characters, many different costumes and much more just sitting in the $60 disc you paid for, Capcom won't let you use unless you pay them a fee. This IMO in a way is criminal, yet it is legal, there is no law or regulation that doesn't stop developers from doing this kind of thing. With the issues of gaming today such as, DRMs ( forcing players to always have an net access to even play a single player game) to developers releasing a game and then re-releasing the same game with some new goodies a few months later, or the production of a product being rushed so it can be patched later to fix bugs and glitches, am I the only consumer feeling abused by a bully.

So how does all this make you folks the consumers, is it becoming time for offiical governmental laws to be formed to keep these developers in line, or is this not even an issue, what do you all think.
(below are links that cover this issue)

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news...DLC-Complaints

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Mas...All-40298.html

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There isn't really any legal stance you can take on this. The publishers can release any amount of material they like for any amount of money they like. At the end of the day no-one is forcing you to buy their crap.

That said, it pisses me off something rotten when DLC is available that should simply be part of the damn game to begin with. If something is ready to go out on the day of release it should be part of the damn game. Things like character skins take no time at all to make, and are purely aesthetic. Offering different skins should be a basic part of the game, because you've been able to do that since what, 1995? I don't see why shit like that has to be paid for seperately.

Things like mission packs or new game types are about all I can think of that warrant being released later. Mini-expansions if you will. Charging people 2 to change the colour of their character is retarded. Charging people real money in order to obtain an in-game advantage through better weapons/items is even more retarded.

That's how I feel about the whole thing. However all that said, I've never purchased any DLC apart from when it was on Steam sale for about 40 pence, like the last Warhammer Weekend where I finally got round to buying Retribution and every single DLC pack for less than a tenner, which seemed like a fair price to me.

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I am a huge fan of DLC, but in cases like Mass Effect 3 I get very pissed about the fact that they have it ready before release, they even have the balls to throw it ready on the disc, and then want you to pay to unlock it. Thats up its arse.

I like DLC, I have shelled out more money on DLC for both Space Marine and Retribution than what I paid for the games themselves, and at least for me that has extended the life span of both games by dozens of hours.

DLC is cool. Day 1 DLC is not.

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Sethis, but there is a legal stance that can be taken on this, sure a developer can release and sell extra content if they feel, but with forcing a customer to pay extra for something they already own is pretty close to criminal. It is in a way close to violating false advertisment laws and in a way could be considered a scam, which has many legal statutes to it. If one looked at it the right way. I see these developers are pushing an envelope, they want to see how far they can go before their is a massive retaliation, whether it be the form if legality or angry consumers. Right now I see the gaming industry feeling cocky, they have been attacked on censorship so much and won every case and now these developers are feeling untouchable.
The original intended purpose of the DLC function was to help extend the shelf life of a game and sure make some money as well, but what is hapening now is outright abuse.

BTW I agree about spending extra cash for a costume or color swap in a game at least when the DLC for MK was done they had the decency to sell you the additional fighters as they were released, but each fighter came with a few new costumes for the original characters, hell most of the extra costumes they were free. NRS understood the DLC concept and didn't abuse it, as a matter a fact they just made what they planned and moved onto the next project.

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Actually the Mass Effect 3 DLC 'From Ashes' IS NOT already on the disc. As someone who owns the collectors edition, and had to wait for the half gig file for it to download off the internet, I can tell you that that is utter bullshit, and having looked through the discs myself, the files for the DLC are nowhere on the disc. That 'Hacker' is just a troll trying to cause trouble and you've stupidly fallen for it.

I'll point out the simple fact off, if the content was already on the disc, why do you need the addition files downloaded? If it was simply a code to unlock it, you'd not need any DL at all.

This is the same with all other DLC. Thats why its called DLC.. as you have to download the content to use it.... If your really dumb enough to believe its already on the disc thats your problem... but seriously, check your facts before mouthing off.
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Sethis, but there is a legal stance that can be taken on this, sure a developer can release and sell extra content if they feel, but with forcing a customer to pay extra for something they already own is pretty close to criminal.
Not really. I own my car and motorbike. Doesn't stop me from having to pay insurance and MOTs every year by law.

To make a more realistic comparison, consider staying at a hotel. You can shell out 100 for the night, but that just gets you a bed to sleep on. The basic deal, as it were. But you can add on food, drink, cable porn, use of the swimming pool, the minibar, the gym, room service and so on and so forth. Those facilities are already there in the hotel you're paying to stay in, but you can't use them unless you pay a bit extra. It's up to you how much you pay and the level of service you are then entitled to receive.

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Actually the Mass Effect 3 DLC 'From Ashes' IS NOT already on the disc. As someone who owns the collectors edition, and had to wait for the half gig file for it to download off the internet, I can tell you that that is utter bullshit, and having looked through the discs myself, the files for the DLC are nowhere on the disc. That 'Hacker' is just a troll trying to cause trouble and you've stupidly fallen for it.

I'll point out the simple fact off, if the content was already on the disc, why do you need the addition files downloaded? If it was simply a code to unlock it, you'd not need any DL at all.

This is the same with all other DLC. Thats why its called DLC.. as you have to download the content to use it.... If your really dumb enough to believe its already on the disc thats your problem... but seriously, check your facts before mouthing off.
Dumb, do you really want to start a game of stump the chump with an analyst, How do you know that the file needed to unlock that DLC wasn't half a gig large, these comanpanies try to hide this shit, also I sorry to break this to you, but the PC tends to be very very different from a console system. You may be right with the DLC to Mass Effect 3, but it may only pertain to the PC variation, but Capcom it has actually been ackknolwdged what they did.

Here is the original source : http://crystalprisonzone.blogspot.co...loped.html?m=1

You can claim it to be the work of a troll all you want, but their is a mound of evidence, remeber files can be hiddenwithin files, the files can still be encypted.

My point is not that Mass Effect has what, my claim is that this becoming a trend and I am mainly trying to make others self aware, as I said Capcom came right out and issued a bullshit justification and openly admitted it.

BTW I do my research and Im quite good at it, you Grizbe were the one mouthing off, I have soucres to back my claim you have none plain and simple. Please take no offense to this, but I will not have my credibility questioned.


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Thus is the way of Capitalism, guys. It's all about squeezing as much money out of your customer as possible. Holding a carrot on a stick for an added experience to your release-night video game will draw in more than enough hyped up customer cash to call it a successful business move.

Remember, most developers and publishers are selling you a product first. Works of art comes second. It's all perfectly legal and the sheeple will never gather enough motivation to do anything more than we are doing now on this forum.

Contrary to what the Science and History channel say, we aren't living in some golden age of existence. Science has been tossed in to the alleyway dumpster along with our species intellectual motivation. Developers aren't 'the good guys' anymore now that the publishing industry has grabbed them all by the balls. Sure, there are hopefuly indie projects here/there but they rarely see the light of day over the deafening sounds of generic Call of Duty advertisements that had a higher budget than the game itself or what have you.

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This is the same with all other DLC. Thats why its called DLC.. as you have to download the content to use it.... If your really dumb enough to believe its already on the disc thats your problem... but seriously, check your facts before mouthing off.
You dont know alot i see. There has been multiple instances past few years when you already have the content and just need code to unlock it. Maybe check your own facts before mouthing off.
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Dumb, do you really want to start a game of stump the chump with an analyst, How do you know that the file needed to unlock that DLC wasn't half a gig large, these comanpanies try to hide this shit, also I sorry to break this to you, but the PC tends to be very very different from a console system. You may be right with the DLC to Mass Effect 3, but it may only pertain to the PC variation, but Capcom it has actually been ackknolwdged what they did.

Here is the original source : http://crystalprisonzone.blogspot.co...loped.html?m=1

You can claim it to be the work of a troll all you want, but their is a mound of evidence, remeber files can be hiddenwithin files, the files can still be encypted.

My point is not that Mass Effect has what, my claim is that this becoming a trend and I am mainly trying to make others self aware, as I said Capcom came right out and issued a bullshit justification and openly admitted it.

BTW I do my research and Im quite good at it, you Grizbe were the one mouthing off, I have soucres to back my claim you have none plain and simple. Please take no offense to this, but I will not have my credibility questioned.

Firstly, you've obviously no clue about how any computer files work. A file to unlock another file is NEVER as big as the file it unlocks. Simply, whats the point? Its just wasted code and space if that was the case.

Secondly, as someone who has friends who write computer code for a living, used to work in PC software repairs, and knows how encryptian software works, I'm pretty well qualified to know how to look for files that get hidden and burried. So you can spout all the bollocks you want to about hidden files, I know for a fact they're not there.

And i'll point out to you, while PC's and consoles are different systems... ALL console software is still written on a PC in the first place, so they share many opperational simularities.

Your 'source' happens to be by an attention seeking blogger who offers no credentials, backup, or information about how to go look for these files yourself, or for that matter any screenshots of any size so that people can see anything beyond what may well easily be a doctored image. Soo.. that ammounts to zero solid evidence...

For someone who's 'good at research'... you clearly know crap.



And one more thing.... IF this was true.... why is not a single well known, high profile gaming website of any kind picking up on it?

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