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Id like to have a try at the Elven Kingdoms and Arnor please?

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Great thanks Captain Stillios!

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So do I just post it on this thread?

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Yeah post it in here or PM it to me and I'll create the final locked sticky to keep the final product.

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I have the rough copy written and will post what i got on this thread tomorro ok guys.

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That's fine Lord Rahl, I look forward to seeing what you've come up with

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Elven Kingdoms
Im gonna split these up into the following:
Hero's, Cavalry, Line Troops and Special, maybe a few others that I cant think of yet.
This is just a draft though so this wont be finished

Hero's:

Gil-galad
Gil-galad is one of the best hero hunters in the game simply because of his very high fight value and Aegelos his magic spear which grants a +1 when rolling to wound. I find Gil-galad best used with a banner and several High Elves with spears and sheilds, all but the banner and one of the spearmen protect their king before moving out of the way to let him charge with an extra attack and a banner.
However, be careful where you put him because even with a sheild Gil-galads defence is quite low and he only has a measly amount of fate.
He is also one of the most expensive charactors in the game.

Elrond Half-Elven Master of Rivendell
This is the armoured Elrond not the dressing gown elrond.
Elrond is a great support charactor for taking out large groups of enemys with his high fight value and attacks coupled with nature's wrath and renew Elrond is not to be taken lightly even if he is alone.
I find Elrond is best used in the thick of things in the front line of your elves carving his way through while casting Natures wrath just before you charge just to make things that little bit more unfair.
Again however, Elrond is still an elf and can not have a sheild so once his re-rollable fate are gone be careful.
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Cavalry: Elves have next to no cavalry, however what little they do have are some of the best, their elven steeds move an extra two inches which can be the differance between charging and being charged, with a fight value of 5 and solid defence coupled with bows and lances these are truly some of the most versitile and hard hitting cavalry in the game.

Ideas: Try including Glorfindel (Either version) mounted to add that extra punch or take out anything you are not sure your knights can take out alone, remember, these knights are expensive and its hard to make back their points if they die early to somthing like Gothmog or a Ringwraith.

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Line Troops:
High Elf Warrior
Your basic Elf warrior has a higher fight value then most captains which instantley gives then the upper-hand in combat, however they come with no equipment or armour so dont be fooled by thinking they are cheap, the cheapest decent warrior equiped with an elven blade/bow and hvy armour is around 10 points each so you will almost always be out numbered.

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Looking great so far Stillios

That's exactly the sort of stuff we are looking for.

Also for future referrence, forget about adding a Money Saving section, unless you can think of what to put in it and then feel free to add one in.

Also don't worry about a Fluff section or a Models section describing the models, I'll edit them in myself if you all want.

Oh and I will dish out rep to contributors of course!

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I've just created the WIP thread seeing as we are starting to make progress. Note that this is locked and currently empty, still post your stuff in here, the other thread is simply so that I can round up all of the finished articles and post them into it in the correct order.

Oh and Captain Stillios, where you've written things like:

"Gil-galad is one of the best hero hunters in the game simply because of his fight value 9"

Could you please replace it with something like 'because of his very high fight value'? It's just safer as you're not supposed to post rules. I know it's not much but with everything together we could be letting lots of rules slip. It's not usually a problem seperately but I' going to cut it out just to be on the safe side of things.

So also where you've written:

"Gil-galads defence is quite low and he only has a measly 1 fate point." = 'only has a very low fate value' etc.

It's not a problem really though as I can go through and edit this after for you if you'd prefer .

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Heroes of the Fallen Realms

Harad, Far Harad

Suladan: He one of the most notorius evil men in the land of middle earth, his high stat profile with a plethora of might amd will points and the options to take a war horse and bow makes him one of the most versatile hero for your Haradrim army. Taking a bow in his wargear coupled with his ability to use poisoned arrows makes him a very dangerous marksmen. His true power however, comes from his ability to fight well and best almost any enemy hero and use his courage and Ascendant rule to keep your lowly warriors in the fight until the bitter end. He does have flaws however, as do all heroes and should always be backed up by a bodyguard or he will fall due his lack of defense and low fate points.

Hasharin: The Hasharin are an order of assassins whos job it is to keep order throughout the lands of Harad, On the field of battle these mighty powerful heroes are capable of taking the fight to any problem the free peoples can throw at them. Thay come with a low amount of might and will, but this is made up by some very high fate points. They can lurk in the shadows at relative saftey and not be worried about being shot by archers as they cannot be seen at a distance. In combat however, is where they truly excell and being able to use poison blades will ensure they get the kills they need.

Chieftans: These are the main stay of any Haradrim army and can add a great amount of diversaty to your force. They can be equiped with a bow to help with the fire powre af the overall force or they can be given a spear and horse or even wield a deadly lance to great effect in combat. Whatever their role they have a nice average might point store to be used on heroic actions or help wound the enemy. Although they are not that tough defense wise there many differant types to accompy your force form the south.

Corsair fleets Heroes

Dalamyr: Dalamyr is the most feared amoungst they piratical Corsair fleets of Umbar and is nigh unstopable when supported with a horde of of screaming pirates. He has a low defense value and next to nothing on might and will points, but this is made up by having a nice amount of fate and they same abilitys as a Haradrim Hasharin, with the added bonus of being able to use his deadly smoke bombs in combat. These will allow Dalmyr to go toe-ot-toe with even the mighty Aragorn himself and still come out on top, However if he should miss, whilst using these invaluable weapons his supply will suddenly run out and he becomes less effective. He must be used wisly and always be backed up by his warriors.

Captains:The Captains are the mainstay of any Corsair fleet army and whilst having a respectible store of might to help them out, they also have a fairly good stat profile and are able to win fights and beat the enemy down alongside your main force. They add much needed muscle in a fight and are a must to help you weak corsairs stay and fight to the last man.

Bo'sun: The Bo'suns are the best way to get the most from your troops, whilst not as strong as your captains, they can bellow orders at your warriors and they will offer a combat bonus and also be able to lend a helping hand in the fight whilst doing so. They also have a choice of being armed with a crossbow to lend a helping hand with the fire power of your force.


Easterlings realms

Kamul The Easterling: Kamul is only second most powerful compared to the Witch King and can bring to battle all the Wraith powers, a normal Ring Wraith can use. His greatest asset is being able to disrupt enemy troops courage just by his sheer presence on the battlefield. He can also take a war horse or a mighty Fell Beast as a mount and boost his combat capabilities for a small price to his will store. His high defense means he is a stayer in the game and will be hard to kill due to his respectable store of fate and might points. He also has the ability to reach out and drain the enemys will when they are dying and use it for his own purposes.

Captains: Easterling Captains are very versitile and come with a good profile which can best even the free peoples, They may carry a bow into battle to aid with shooting or they may take a very specilised weapon called a halberd, which grants bonuses in combat depending how it is used. Armed with a armoured awr horse and a shield they can lead your cavlery into battle and have a very strong impact on the game if used correctly. They also have a good supply of might points to use throughout the battle.

Khandish realms

Khandish King: The king of Khand is the best hero for this small elite force and comes with a chieftains axe as standard, this allows him to gain a combat bonus in much the same way as a Easterling Captain. He also has a good store of might and a respectable defense value to ensure he stays in the fight. His options include a war chariot which if used well can halt a entire cavalry force, it also gives a bonus for bow armed models. It does come in at a high point cost but can be deadly if used correctly, especialy when used with his commanding presence ablilty to gain the combat bonus where it's needed.

Chieftan: Khandish Chieftan are the main stay of a Khandish force and will allow great flexibility throughout the army, they have a low defense and fate value but come equipped with a chieftan axe as stanard and may choose to take a war horse or a war chariot to battle. They may also take a bow to add much needed firepower to the force, this can be used to great effect when coupled with a chariot.

Mercenary Chieftan: Although cheaper and not as couragous as the normal Chieftan they are better in fight and come with a chieftan axe as standard,. They dont access to a chariot but can take a horse and a bow. Their only weakness is a low defense value and the sellsword rule which makes them unpredictable and non-reliable to use.

Warriors of the Fallen Realms

Harad, Far Harad

Haradrim warriors: These little fellows are the what make up the bulk of the Haradrim army, they have a low defense and all come with the options to equippe them with a spear, a bow, or a banner. If they are equipped with a bow then they will be able to use poisoned arrows to ensure they enemy fall at a distance. If they have spears they can all be backed up and aid an additional warrior in combat.The banner however will add more than one warrior and is good for helping win the fights. Thay are also very cheap point wise, so you can have lots of troops for a very small point game.

Harad Raiders: These make up the main cavlary force for the army and come standard with bows, this allows them to use poison arrows to help kill the enemy with ease. They may also choose to have a banner which will aid them in the fight or be armed with atrusty lance to maximise their initial charge into combat. They have a fairly high points cost for a low defense warrior, but used correctly they can change the course of battle.

Serpant Guard: These are the elite bodyguard of the Haradrim Chieftans and all come armed with a war-spear to ensure their numbers really do count in combat. The 'bodyguard' rule will allow them to stay and fight to the bitter end and have no fear in battle. They are costly but well worth the points when aiding the Haradrim armies Chieftan.

Serpant Riders: These are the mounted version of the Serpant Guard and have all the same abilities as the Serpant Guard, the only exception to this is the war-spear which gives them a combat bonus whilst mounted. If they should lose their mount then the war-spear will still retains its combat bonus, proving these deadly warriors are well worth the points.

Watcher of Karna: These little close combat specialists excel in a fight and use poison blades to overcome the toughest of foes. The only real problem when using them is that have a very measly low defense and can be pick off by bow fire with realtive ease. However when they do get close to the enemy they can overcome all fear caused by the enemy ranks and charge straight into the thick of it. They are fairly for the abilities you get with them, just be sure to hide them in your rear most ranks.

Mahud Warriors: The Mahud are a small elite force which is avaliable to the forces of Harad, they are more exspensive foot troops than any other troop avaliable but with an impressive stat profile they are more than a match for the free peoples of middle earth. They also have the option for blow pipes and spears. The spears will allow their small numbers to really count, while the blow pipes add the much needed firepower to their ranks. Their only flaw is that they can only use the courage from another Mahud Chieftan due to a instinct called warriors pride.

Mahud Raiders: Are a heavy hitting cavlary force which can be used in a Far Harad army, they have the same stats, profile and strength as a Mahud warrior on foot with the added ability to ride a war-camal. They gain an inital bonus when they firstcharge the enemy and will stay in the fight for a lengthy time. They also have their flaws, which are a high point cost and they suffer from warriors pride, so be sure to have a Mahud Chieftain nearby.

Creatures of Harad, Far Harad

Mumakil: The Mumakil is the most powerful monsterous creature in the entire Fallen Realms list. They not trample through absolutly everthing that gets in their way, but can carry your powerful Mahud warriors or Haradrim Warriors into battle upon the mounted Howdah on their backs. They can also be given a variety of wargear to either aid in your troops combat effectivness or to offer much needed protection from enemy bowfire. They are the most expensive model in the army and should only be used in high point games.

Half Trolls: These are the hardest foot warriors in a Far Harad army and whilst striding across the battlefield they can shrug all but the most powerful of hits. They are the toughest and strongest warriors you can field but do come in at a very high price, so you will not be able to field many in your force.

Corsair fleets Warriors

Corsairs: These are ill armoured pirates who hate the realm of gondor and the western world, they all come equipped with a bandoleer which allows them to get of a deadly volley of fire before or during the charge. They are also very good in a fight, they easily best a good warrior in a one-on-one scrap. Although they have a weak defense they can pack a serious punch when on the charge. They can also be given bows and spears to help make take down the enemy at range or bring their numbers to bare on a single foe.

Arbalesters: These are they main fire power for the Corsairs, aremed with a deadly crossbow and the ability to shoot at a further distabnce with more effect they are the best ranged troops avaliable. If the enemy do manage to get up close and personal the Arbalesters can use a giant shield to cover themselves from harm in the heated combat. They are quite exspensive but can easily make up their points on the field if used correctly.

The Eastern Realms Warriors

The Easterling: These are the most elite warrior avaliable to any of the Fallen Realms armies, they have a high defense when eqiupped with a shield and can be given a spear to gain an additional bonus in combat. Their main strength lies when they form up into a phalanx, this special formation is incrediable hard to stop on the field of battle. They may also be given bows to lend a hand from a distance. They may also take a banner into battle to help with the fighting and ensure you win the combat. Relativaly average points value, which allows a mediocre sized army which can hit hard with rows of warriors.

Kataphrakts: These are the elite cavlary of the Eastern Realms armies altough not as hard hitting as some of the other races cavalary, they do have an incrediable amount of defense. Their horses even come armoured as a standard wargear, which will ensure they will stay mounted for longer duing the battle. A banner is also avaliable to these warriors to help out in the combat and ensure that they win every time. These tough armoured men come in at high point cost so you will not be able to field very many of them.


The Khandish Realms

Warriors of Khand: These are weakly defended troops that can pack a punch when grouped tightly together. They may also exchange their two-handed axe for some much needed fire power in the form of taking bows. They are an average point cost but will be small compared to other armies.

Khandish Horseman: The horsemaen of Khand are the main cavalary to their army and although they have a low defense they come equipped with a bow and hand weapon as standard. There are no options for them but they do pack quite a punch when on the charge and can even move further than a normal bow armed warrior and still be able to fire. At a high points cost dont expect them to fill your ranks.

Khandish Charioteer: The Charioteer is the most hard hitting cavlary force in the Khand army list, they not only provide a stable platform for bow armed models but can hold up entire armies of horsemen with just a couple of them working in unison. The chariot itself is very welll armoured, however the warrior inside is not and can fall to bow fire fairly easily so be sure to keep them safe. They are a good value for points but they are the most exspensive model in the army and must be used with caution.

Mercenary Horsemen: Whilst these are better fighters than their Khandish counterparts they are also less courages and if not paid enough money they will not show up for battle. The only other draw back is they are also have a low defense value.

Khandish Mercenary: These are better than a Khandish warrior in fight but are likley to run at the first sight of trouble, due to a low courage value. They are also unpredictable and may not show up for battle if they do not receive enough payment for their services.

Game play

The Fallen Realms list is full of very unique armies that can be assembled with a variety of ways to play in mind. If you are a person who likes to sit back and shoot then take lots of bow armed models, or you could take lots of hard hitting specialised troops such as the Half Trolls and Watchers of Karna. If you prefere your cavlary then you could consider taking the armies of Khand with some Easterlings for some extra punch. The best way to use them is to take advantage of their spear armed warriors who will be able to back each other up and get more of their numbers into the fight. Remember to select your heroes carfully as they can turn the tide of battle in your favour with the right set up. The true strength of any of the Fallen Realms armis is thier ability to allie with each other and almost all of the other evil races in middle earth. This allows them to have some of the most deadliest combinations in the game.

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