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I've been rereading the Horus Heresy series and upon completing Fulgrim I came across something quite interesting. When describing the physical qualities of Corax the author mentions something which could allude to Corax having wings. I was of the impression that Sanguinius alone of the primarchs had wings and I can find no further evidence on Lexicanum or otherwise that Corax also had them, however the evidence is quite compelling.

"The white trim of his shoulder guards was fashioned from pale ivory, and great wings of dark feathers swept upwards to either side of his pallid, aquiline features."

Even more strong evidence can be found later in the book when Corax is described as attacking enemy astartes from the air yet no mention of a Jump Pack is mentioned. So what do you think? For me the evidence is impenetrable to argument.
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Interesting... I'll have to look into this. He really is one of the least developed Primarchs.

Off the cuff though, from the description, "great wings of dark feathers swept upwards to either side of his pallid, aquiline features", could also refer to some form of decoration on his shoulder pauldrons, such as stylized raven wings, similar to those sometimes seen on EC models. And as to the jump pack theory, one not being mentioned does not necesarily mean there isn't one. "Absence of proof is not proof of absence." Also, the long established fact that Sanguinius is the only one with wings argues against it.

Good spot though.

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Well I am certain that Sanguinius the only Primarch with wings.
For you last statement, The Raven Guard use extensive use of Assualt Squads, so I'm thinking the author just assumed that the reder would know of this. I think he did use a jump packeven though its not mentioned. I mean as the Legions where created around their Primarch, I'm sure he would have used Jmp Packs as well.
For the first statement, Im thinking he s talking about the RaveGuard symbol, which has to wings on opposite sides of the shouder guard. I can't see any other reason the aurthor would have wrote it.

Tha my view anyway

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Interesting... I'll have to look into this. He really is one of the least developed Primarchs.

Off the cuff though, from the description, "great wings of dark feathers swept upwards to either side of his pallid, aquiline features", could also refer to some form of decoration on his shoulder pauldrons, such as stylized raven wings, similar to those sometimes seen on EC models. And as to the jump pack theory, one not being mentioned does not necesarily mean there isn't one. "Absence of proof is not proof of absence." Also, the long established fact that Sanguinius is the only one with wings argues against it.

Good spot though.
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Well I am certain that Sanguinius the only Primarch with wings.
For you last statement, The Raven Guard use extensive use of Assualt Squads, so I'm thinking the author just assumed that the reder would know of this. I think he did use a jump packeven though its not mentioned. I mean as the Legions where created around their Primarch, I'm sure he would have used Jmp Packs as well.
For the first statement, Im thinking he s talking about the RaveGuard symbol, which has to wings on opposite sides of the shouder guard. I can't see any other reason the aurthor would have wrote it.

Tha my view anyway

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I take your first point that just because it wasn't mentioned doesn't mean he had no Jump Pack and therefore bore wings. However the way the sentence is structured implies the wings were either side of his face, i.e. rising up from his back and not on his shoulder pads.
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maybe on his chest plate? Corax could have had these 'Wings' adorned on his armour, and then either wing would be on either side of his face?
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I found this, whether or not you're right, someone else has been thinking along the same lines.


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Fulgrim Pg.464 Paragraph 4 states that 'Corax darted like a dark bird of prey, leaping through the air with his winged jump pack'

So the dark pinions would be in the correct place to frame his face but he doest actually have wings.
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Hmmm from the whole mention of features it sounds to me like some kind of Helmet Decoration similar to the Dark Angels winged helms.
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Or it could be a swooping hawks kind of deal you know jump pack with wing decorations on it.

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or like dorn's armor, cant remember if it was a halo or wings that were behind his head framing it

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