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My knowledge isn't the best with daemons but obviously most daemons are servants of chaos and gain power either violence or by emotions from mortals. My question is there daemons in the warp not in any of the Chaos Gods service? From what I understand Believe is a powerful emotion so If for example on a planet, If enough people believe that a demonic white warrior will save their village when there attacked by Xeno's, that Demonic white warrior will actually take form and exist and due to this believe, this daemon will grow in power and essentially become a minor Chaos God? Is that possible along with them being Neutral or even Good as long as there "fed" enough?

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It is certainly an interesting idea, the concept of the chaos gods and their segments (the lesser and greater daemons) is based off very powerful emotions and concepts. The most powerful of these are khorne, tzeentch, slannesh and nurgle.

But in comparison minor emotions or concepts which are not part of the more major ones are quite less powerful may not even be able to split into lesser beings capable of entering in to material world.



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It has been mentioned in the past that there are lesser Gods in the Chaos pantheon, with Malal, or Malice, being the only one actually named, I think. His main goal was to thwart the schemes of the major gods. He even has a renegade SM chapter dedicated to him.

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I thought Malice was technically the fifth Chaos God but was stopped being used back int the day over some deal with the writer who created Malice? Does he even have his own demons?

I don't mean they have to be Minor Gods of Chaos, just wondering more than anything else if demons not in the four gods service actually exist and if there not completely bad or neutral, somehow I can't see a daemon being good unless there getting fed ALOT of energy lol
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Generally the amount of energy required to be funneled into the warp in such a specific way to create a new power is pretty high. The Eldar in the youth of their civilization were able to create a pantheon of gods via worship that was guided by the Old Ones specifically for the purpose of creating gods that could combat the c'tan. However, this was the collective will of a powerful civilization in a time where Chaos had a relatively weak hold on the galaxy.

Whether this could happen on a smaller scale seems debatable. The most common path to power seems to be the patronage of an existing god or daemon, and with the Chaos Gods at this point in time basically feeding off the full spectrum of emotions, it seems unlikely that a new power could be created this way. A more probable outcome would be the attention of an existing daemon masquerading as the proposed deity to bend its new followers to its own ends.



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Shouldn't the trillions people worshipping the Emperor cause some massive feedback in the warp?
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Shouldn't the trillions people worshipping the Emperor cause some massive feedback in the warp?
The Emperor protects.

Just look at the acts of faith from the SoBs and the long row of living saints.
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Shouldn't the trillions people worshipping the Emperor cause some massive feedback in the warp?
It's possible, but the ten thousand year time frame doesn't really factor in the millions of years worth of power the Chaos gods have been able to feed off. Also worth mentioning that even if the Emperor is the subject of worship, the myriad of Imperial worlds all interpret the Imperial Creed in different variations.

On top of this, regardless of worship, all mortal emotion feeds the Chaos Powers. So even if the Emperor is receiving some kind of power boost, all four gods are too.



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Chaos furies used to be not aligned with any of the chaos gods. From the 5th edition codex: "Furies are made from the souls of mortals that could never decide which of the chaos gods to serve - not because of a genuine love for all fur of them, but from a continuous swaying from the worship of one chaos god to another... When their souls are finally released from their mortal husks, no power claims them - their tragic fate is to be forbidden from entering any of their realms... condemned to be buffeted by the whimsical currents of the immaterium, with no direction and no meaning..." Which makes it sound like you either worship the chaos gods or you don't, and there are no 'in-between' or minor chaos gods that you could worship.

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Look at Celestine. Pretty much a daemon of the Emperor inhabiting a flesh puppet, with how she calls down the Emperors will to smite the enemy in a beam of light from on high.
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