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Didn't like it tbh, liked Green Lantern more. As a film student it's easy for me to pick out the negatives but overall I felt it was a little lackluster in a lot of areas.
Im the exact opposite, I hated green lantern and liked this film. I went to see it for robots kicking ass and that's what I got. The plot and script werent to strong but you take the good with the bad.

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Im the exact opposite, I hated green lantern and liked this film. I went to see it for robots kicking ass and that's what I got. The plot and script werent to strong but you take the good with the bad.
Yeah, but to me if I wanted to see robots kicking ass I'd of watched the previous two. This one was almost the same layout in every way, right from the sexy girl showing her ass off in the first scene, to the long chases on the motorway, to the battle in the city, to the slow motion combat animation and walking slowly towards the camera at the end.

I'm actually doing a dissertation on Movie Blockbusters at the moment, and this film would be a fine example of why blockbusters rarely win critical acclaim at award ceremonies.

I thought the green lantern was the best "hero like" film they've done excluding their batman movies which are not really in the same category as Green Lantern, Iron Man, Thor etc..It had comedy, good action sequences, was true to the background and it took advantage of the 3D quite a lot.
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Yeah, but to me if I wanted to see robots kicking ass I'd of watched the previous two. This one was almost the same layout in every way, right from the sexy girl showing her ass off in the first scene, to the long chases on the motorway, to the battle in the city, to the slow motion combat animation and walking slowly towards the camera at the end.

I'm actually doing a dissertation on Movie Blockbusters at the moment, and this film would be a fine example of why blockbusters rarely win critical acclaim at award ceremonies.

I thought the green lantern was the best "hero like" film they've done excluding their batman movies which are not really in the same category as Green Lantern, Iron Man, Thor etc..It had comedy, good action sequences, was true to the background and it took advantage of the 3D quite a lot.
I actually thought the action scenes were a step above the others. One of the most impressive uses of cgi Ive seen. But to each his own.
What I hated about green lantern was the sheer predictability of every line and the terrible use of cgi. Me and my friends had a laugh predicting every single line in the film, more than once we were spot on and the times we were off were only by a very slight margin. Also the villains they chose needed a stronger story. Parallax was the secret behind the green lanterns main weakness. His emergence caused the deaths of many lanterns and corrupted a one time hero. I don't think the movie really did him justice.

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I've had a chance to calm down, so here's my full review of Dark of the moon.

This film should have a lot going for it, the budget is insane, the cast boasts some very impressive names, it has some good ideas, and you have the concept and backstory of one of the coolest childhood franchises around - transformers. However, Bay doesn't seem content until he's squandered all of this, with a wealth of poor decisions that left me perplexed.

There was lots of talk in the run up to the movie that the filmakers had taken on feedback from the 2nd film, and were primed to learn from their mistakes, but I can see little evidence of this. Looking at each point in turn, i'd go as far as to say they've actually made the bad bits worse.

First off, comic relief: The twins are gone, the parents are downplayed, great job! However they are quickly replaced by similarly annoying robot sidekicks and an Asian man who's name is 'wang' (seriously). there's some great comic talents in the film, but they've been given abysmal lines to work with. A much subtler touch is needed to provide laughs in this film, and Bay's 'go big or go home' approach falls down flat.

Second, reactive plot: Just as in 'revenge' the plot is absurd and scrambling. The set pieces are all planned out, and the script is cobbled together to make sure we hit those scenes. What's genuinely infuriating is that there's some great ideas here - the moon connection is an awesome premise, but that's all it is, a selling point.....the connotations of the human race withholding the information is brushed over pretty quickly and never given the exploration it deserves.

Sam begins his story feeling cheated and left out, striving to be someone, 'to matter'. Again this is a really interesting character arc that would have given the human focus we need in the film, but instead Sam is shoehorned into the story by a string of ridiculous and unnecessary connections that get him in the right places ready for the set pieces.

Third, your villlains suck: We're 3 films in now, and i'm still yet to see megatron and starscream do anything. In revenge, the final battle is mostly just generic robots smashing about the desert for an hour before our main characters reappear for 5 mins to wrap it up. Here it's a similar story, with the main characters vastly underused in favour of a tedious warzone where humans I couldn't care less about, fight robots I care even less for.

I appreciate that transformers is hardly the height of character drama, but megatron and starscream are well developed, intriguing characters. Quite why Bay feels the need to backline them in favour of bland 'extras' is a mystery to me.

Fourth, it's soooo long: I can hack a long film, but if you want to hold your audience past the 2 hour mark you better have some damn good pacing. I know that Michael Bay knows how pacing works, he's occasionally very good at it. But here, and in other films he doesn't seem to have a clue.

With so little connection to the characters, massive action sequences are just long pauses where nothing happens. There's pretty pictures for certain, but i'm not interested in the players and therefore I have no emotional link to what's going on. Worst still when we finally get back to progressing the story, the pace speeds up lightning fast with little reverence to the mammoth struggle that proceeds it.

Most of the action scenes could be cut in half, or down to a quarter maybe and still be just as effective. If that time and money was then spent on giving us more time with our robot friends, then the action would be infinitely more exciting and poignant.

In conclusion,all the pieces are here to make a great film. Yet they've been arranged in such a way that they make a very worthless and tedious product which acts as little more than a crumpled mannequin to model Bay's 3D explosions.


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I actually thought the action scenes were a step above the others. One of the most impressive uses of cgi Ive seen. But to each his own.
What I hated about green lantern was the sheer predictability of every line and the terrible use of cgi. Me and my friends had a laugh predicting every single line in the film, more than once we were spot on and the times we were off were only by a very slight margin. Also the villains they chose needed a stronger story. Parallax was the secret behind the green lanterns main weakness. His emergence caused the deaths of many lanterns and corrupted a one time hero. I don't think the movie really did him justice.
So compared to latest Transformers movie (which i havent seen, nor will) every line in Transformers series has made some sense? I have seen first two and was almost asleep. Humor which doesnt even make me smile, lines which doesnt have any meaning etc. But maybe im too old to watch these kind of movies, cgi alone cant save a weak movie.
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So compared to latest Transformers movie (which i havent seen, nor will) every line in Transformers series has made some sense? I have seen first two and was almost asleep. Humor which doesnt even make me smile, lines which doesnt have any meaning etc. But maybe im too old to watch these kind of movies, cgi alone cant save a weak movie.
Exactly the same.
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Edit: I did not think the twins were racially bad or anything, I just found them annoying as fuck. About the same level of fucktard stupid as jarjar binks
QFT!! I hated those characters as much as Jar Jar. Just overall annoying as hell.


As for this new installment I have to say that all of you naysayers are on bad drugs as the movie was downright awesome. Damn near as good as the first and far better than the second, this movie was great. It had some decent humour, the story is adequate, and the 3D and cgi are awesome. I loved every minute of the movie, as did my son.

Oh and you guys complaining about the plot REALLY need to get a grip. Think about it: it is a Transformers movie, it isn't supposed to be a gripping and thought provoking movie but one that allows us to watch our favourite toys from back in the day kick the living shit out of each other, no more or less.

one thing I want is the ability to split my fire everywhere, it makes no sense that a squad of 10 guard or marines or whatever all have to fire at 1 target with everything, is the guy with the lascannon not smart enough to realize maybe he would be better off firing at the massive tank looming overhead instead of the little man no bigger than a squat running at him, or is that far too complex for the 10yr olds?

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QFT!! I hated those characters as much as Jar Jar. Just overall annoying as hell.


As for this new installment I have to say that all of you naysayers are on bad drugs as the movie was downright awesome. Damn near as good as the first and far better than the second, this movie was great. It had some decent humour, the story is adequate, and the 3D and cgi are awesome. I loved every minute of the movie, as did my son.

Oh and you guys complaining about the plot REALLY need to get a grip. Think about it: it is a Transformers movie, it isn't supposed to be a gripping and thought provoking movie but one that allows us to watch our favourite toys from back in the day kick the living shit out of each other, no more or less.
I more had an issue with editing, continuity, some really stringy plots links, some obvious and explicit sexualising of yet another young actress. The depth (or lack of) of character for the main decepticon characters. The over enthusiast on the human aspect again.

There was a massive lack of robots actually fighting each other, half the time it was the humans fighting them with the odd autobot thrown in (apart from the last fight which didn't last long enough imo) The stupid idea of having transformers use none transformer machines rather than having them fight in their alternate forms.

I don't like Michael Bay's style, it's so simple and involves tons of blasts and slow motion walks towards the camera or long looks at each other. I don't like the script of most of the transformers films, no depth and reliant on CGI but having the autobots in car mode most of the time, (especially in the second when bumblebee and the twins in their in car mode as Jetfire chatters away)

This is my opinion, I accept a lot won't agree with it but as a fan of transformers when I was young and as a Film student all I see is better alternatives to what was done, starting with the Director.

Heck the original Cartoon Movie was a lot more shocking and exciting than any of the movies imo.
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So compared to latest Transformers movie (which i havent seen, nor will) every line in Transformers series has made some sense? I have seen first two and was almost asleep. Humor which doesnt even make me smile, lines which doesnt have any meaning etc. But maybe im too old to watch these kind of movies, cgi alone cant save a weak movie.
Everyone knows the transformers doesnt have the strongest script, but atleast what they are saying is unexpected, even if it doesn't amuse you. Like I said, with the green lantern I could pretty much accurately predict what was going to be said all throughout the movie. I'd rather deal with the whitwickey's parents and the twins over-eccentricity than with the green lantern's use of every over-used line known to man.

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Everyone knows the transformers doesnt have the strongest script, but atleast what they are saying is unexpected, even if it doesn't amuse you. Like I said, with the green lantern I could pretty much accurately predict what was going to be said all throughout the movie. I'd rather deal with the whitwickey's parents and the twins over-eccentricity than with the green lantern's use of every over-used line known to man.
I honestly didn't get that impression from the green lantern, I knew how it would end but the journey was quite fun and I'm looking forward to the sequels. The problem with transformers was the jokes where bad and I'd prefer no jokes to bad jokes and it never really brought anything different to the table especially since it's the third of the trilogy.

Maybe I was just hoping they might actually include things the fans like, such as the Dinobots or Unicron rather than the over commercialised cars that made no sense, such as the the sodding Nascar combining team with British accents, why are they a Nascar combing team? Because it's advertising for Nascar and as usual an American car manufacturer.

The film was done for the wrong reasons, it was done poorly, it had tons of restrains on it because it was done for the wrong reasons and this is why I dislike this film as well as the majority of the trilogy. This is probably also one of the reasons why I enjoyed Green Lantern more, yes it was simple and could easily be guessed at (like all hero films nowadays) but it was trying to advertise stuff behind phoney covers.
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