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Been sick in bed for two days strait now. In one of my "waking" stretches, I stumbled upon the epic classic "Zulu" staring Stanley Baker & Michael Caine.

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I would imagine you Brits have grown up with this movie being standard fare. Is that true? Is it only us yanks that have missed this classic? I can't believe I've never seen this movie before. I literally feel shame for not having seen it until now.

I recant my past ignorance and am glad to now have this movie in my viewing repertoire.

You have to set your mental clocks back to this style/era of epic film making:
- Takes time to build, but is oh so worth it.
- Death scenes are a bit over exaggerated at times especially by the actors playing the Zulu warriors.
- Sound affects, color, etc. are of older quality.
- Etc.

If you're good with that, you'll very much enjoy this classic film based off the true story of the Battle of Rorke's Drift!





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They are based on true stories. So I'd say yes. More or less, they are pretty historically accurate.

The only issue I had was hook. Hook was actually known as the perfect example of a soldier.

I loved these movies. By these, I mean this one, and a prequel to it. Its called Zulu Dawn. Its not as good as Zulu. But it shows you what happened to the Brits before this movie. The one thing I didn't like was all the famous characters and them trying to act all cheesy.

The interesting thing is that I believe in British History, it was the Brits worst military disaster following there most heroic military victory.
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They are based on true stories. So I'd say yes. More or less, they are pretty historically accurate.

The only issue I had was hook. Hook was actually known as the perfect example of a soldier.

I loved these movies. By these, I mean this one, and a prequel to it. Its called Zulu Dawn. Its not as good as Zulu. But it shows you what happened to the Brits before this movie. The one thing I didn't like was all the famous characters and them trying to act all cheesy.

The interesting thing is that I believe in British History, it was the Brits worst military disaster following there most heroic military victory.
Err other way around , worst military disaster , followed by their most heroic victory
Rorkes Drift ( Zulu )followed after the events of Zulu Dawn ( battle of Isandlwana)

Yes Hooks depiction was wrong , but Theatrically they needed a rough Diamond charachter, Holywood is not adverse to altering history LOL.
More Victoria crosses were awarded in the rorke,s drift engagement then in any battle since , But after the disaster of Isandlwana we needed a heroic victory and rorkes drift
provided it .
Unfortunatly for the Zulu , the crushing defeat of what was considered the best of Empire
forces illicited a response that smashed them ( Great Britain had lost face and it had to be redressed ).
A Great film no doubt , forgive it ,its age and just enjoy
On a related note my uncle has two Henry Martini rifles , both with the africa stamp
whilst He has no proof they were involved in either of the defining engagements , its still nice to have something from that particular part of history .

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The only issue I had was hook. Hook was actually known as the perfect example of a soldier.
Interesting. It really didn't make sense to me how he was such a bad soldier in the movie and then was awarded the Victoria Cross after the battle. I figure he had to have a good deal of heroic character to win that. Had he been truly completely selfish, as the first half of the movie depicts him, he would have looked out only for #1 during the battle.



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The one thing I didn't like was all the famous characters and them trying to act all cheesy.
Do you mean Caine's character Lieutenant Bromhead at the beginning? He was kind of a wiener at the start, but became way better as the movie went on and he accepted Lieutenant Chard's authority. By the time the battle got under way he was way better.



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The interesting thing is that I believe in British History, it was the Brits worst military disaster following there most heroic military victory.
I don't know... the battle of Singapore in 1942 was pretty bad. The battle of Isandhlwana though was for sure a disaster. To put things in perspective the British lost about 1,000 men at Isandhlwana, but had (along with the Australians) about 100,000 men taken prisoner by the Japanese despite having massively outnumbered the Japanese at Singapore.

That being said however, it's entirely possible that the battle of Isandhlwana was the worst military defeat in British history at the time.






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On a related note my uncle has two Henry Martini rifles , both with the africa stamp
whilst He has no proof they were involved in either of the defining engagements , its still nice to have something from that particular part of history.
Wow, that is really cool! I wonder if there's a way to find out for sure? In the states we have this show called Antiques Roadshow where you can bring in your antiques and have specialists take a look at it. They usually can tell you all kinds of amazing information about the items in question. Do they have something like that in the UK?




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Interesting. It really didn't make sense to me how he was such a bad soldier in the movie and then was awarded the Victoria Cross after the battle. I figure he had to have a good deal of heroic character to win that. Had he been truly completely selfish, as the first half of the movie depicts him, he would have looked out only for #1 during the battle.
Right? From what I've heard people say about him, was that he was indeed that motivational soldier. So yeah. In the movie, it may have been a bit too boring for people to take.

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Do you mean Caine's character Lieutenant Bromhead at the beginning? He was kind of a wiener at the start, but became way better as the movie went on and he accepted Lieutenant Chard's authority. By the time the battle got under way he was way better.
Fuck no. These guys were pretty good. I was referring to Zulu Dawn. I thought they chose pretty good actors to play these parts. In Zulu Dawn you can tell each of those famous characters was trying to play their roll extra snobby. If you guys actually watched the rated R Excalibur from Warner Bros, you'll actually see the actor who plays Lancelot in Zulu Dawn as a low ranking British Officer. lol.


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I don't know... the battle of Singapore in 1942 was pretty bad. The battle of Isandhlwana though was for sure a disaster. To put things in perspective the British lost about 1,000 men at Isandhlwana, but had (along with the Australians) about 100,000 men taken prisoner by the Japanese despite having massively outnumbered the Japanese. That being said however, it's entirely possible that the battle of Isandhlwana was the worst military defeat in British history at that time.
It's interesting how they would compare both of them if the battle at Isandhlwana. The fact that the battle of Isandhlwana was also incompetently planned and lead. If planned is even what you would call it. Where their intelligence was very poor and they also divided their forces. So maybe in that sense it just adds to the disaster. As well as losing their Regimental Banner. My Sgt Major would impale our asses if we lost ours. I can't imagine how the British Felt when they lost theirs. Especially since they had a lot to be proud about during the time.
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I love the film, even though parts of it were a bit inaccurate. Besides Hook's depiction, Bromhead and Chard actually got on very well and ran a perfect defensive battle.

Thye problem at Isandhlwana was caused by bad leadership. There were more than enough men and weaponry to defend the column if they had corraled the wagons which was not done. This allowed the Zulu's to get in amongst the British troops and use thier numbers against the British.

But still both movies are great for thier age. I even have Zulu on DVD

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Thye problem at Isandhlwana was caused by bad leadership. There were more than enough men and weaponry to defend the column if they had corraled the wagons which was not done. This allowed the Zulu's to get in amongst the British troops and use thier numbers against the British.
All this talk of Isandhlwana has made me want to do two things...

(1) Watch "Zulu Dawn"

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(2) Start a 40K Praetorian Imperial Guard Regiment



Too bad they're discontinued...
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Zulu was/is a great film. Its also one of my favourite Michael Caine films.

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You can still find plenty of the models online like ebay. I got mine for very cheap actually. I was thinking of eventually making Zulu's out of catachan and beastmen bits. Somone did it and it looked pretty legit. And the good thing is that I'm not a white American. So I can get away with making something like this and getting away with it without looking racist.
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