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Forgot to speak of this earlier, but found out about it in November. Basically, on Discovery, @9pm (10pm for +1, obviously), there's a series starting about the development of American T2 special forces (so not your Delta and your SEAL's, but your Rangers, Marine Force Recon, Para-rescue, and Divers.

Some of this stuff many of the British Forces have already done - our P Company for Parachutists and the All Arms Commando Course for Green Beret's was used as the basis for training, so for those who missed Commando: On the Front Line.

Looks like decent stuff - and for those who are interested, myself, a few PTI's, and several other guy's in 3 Commando's BRF have recieved an invite to train at the US Pararescue Centre in the States, at a convenient time and bring them skills back here to teach, so this is a great program, and could be useful for those of you to work off those excess Christmas Puds =D. But yeah, should hopefully be fastracked through some of the training - being a Paratrained, BSAC Scuba Qualified Brigade Recce Force Fire Air Controller, half of my training is done.

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I'm actually watching this while I type. I watched the ranger one last week, it seemed tough enough. This one, the pararescue one, doesn't seem too bad though. I think it's in the Black Hawk Down book that it's mentioned that pararescue is seen by other forces as a back door into the SF community, an easy option.

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Yeah, there seems to be less combat oriented stuff - and those 60lb bergen runs are going to be easy as fuck to any UK Infantryman. Christ even our Navy boys carry that weight during their basic training. And I think its fun to run the Gritstone Trail carrying that weight, and managed a 4 hour 26mile run over snowy hilly terrain carrying 25Kg's, I wonder exactly how much loadup yomps they do.

Also noted how many quit with only a few hours to go... Christ. They had, 6 hours left, after running on empty with their actual digestive system anatomically on shut down, meaning that they were actually eating the stored fat reserves inside their body, and doing perfectly well for energy, but they actually mentally gave up. You've got some "got the T-Shirt" washed up soon to be retiree no longer on actual service duty shouting at you to make him actually feel like he's doing something with his life, and you give up after 5 weeks of intense hard work, and actually being lucky enough to have your application read and accepted... Jesus.

There seemed to be little rifle drill involved, and they weren't even training with dummy ammunition boxes on the ETD, which seemed strange. If you're breathing out your arsehole, you need to get the feel of what you're actually carrying. All I can say is that thank fuck for SEALs and Delta knowing their shit.

I'll hunt down the Rangers vid - as for next week, what is it, FORECON?

Edit - Found some minimum requirements here - http://www.military.com/military-fit...ce-para-rescue

Half them things you wouldn't even get accepted into the RM at minimum requirements - 9minute? Christ I was running sub 7 at training, and can run a sub 6 now in full green gear. 20meter underwater - at dive school in Pompey, you have to complete even harder challenges (mud runs in scuba gear, dry bag and fins), Sit Ups, 60 is the damn minimum, and if you can't do more than that, what the fuck are you doing in a detachment needing strength and deep muscle pain resistance? Push Ups, the same - aiming for around 80 is the basic target I was set. Pull Ups, I needed 6 to qualify, but after doing nearly 400-500 push ups every day for 32 weeks, I banged out 14 before I started the assault course...

Those minimums are very low, and classes I've taken for PT in the Navy at Raleigh has seen many guys able to hit their maximum (40, the bleep test goes no higher) and still able to carry on.

However, having spoken to guys I know who've gone to SF Selection in the UK, 4 out 6 were RTU'd, and another left after 3 years, they've all said how tough it all was - such as the Final Exercise, basically being dropped off with shit boots, shit trousers, and shit shirts that show up in the terrain like a turd on a snooker table to hide for 24 hours, only to be hunted down by some Para's in Helicopters and given a kicking before being "tortured" in stress positions, sleep deprivation, squealing baby rabbits, heat and noise, before verbal interrogation, during which time you have to give no more than the big 4... A long shot from crying for home because a couple of jerry cans were too heavy.

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- 1.5 mile run - within 10:30 (sub 9:00)
- Pullups - 8 (20+)
- Situps - 50 in 2:00 (100)
- Pushups - 50 in 2:00 (100)
Jesus, that's not much more than what was required for me just to get into the army. Anybody just out of recruit training should be able to do considerabley better than those mimimum requirements.

Then again, they are not being trained to carry out the kind of missions the SAS, Delta, or even the army rangers or paras would be given, they're really only para qualified medics.

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