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Great movie, and I won't wade into the backstory OR science debate; to each his own.

BUT, what the Hell was up with all that lens flare? I KNOW the Trek universe is bright and shiny, but geez...


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Fair enughf phrazer, and I dont buy into it tooooooo much but its just somthing that annoys my trekkie side.

jpunk, I didnt even notice that! I'll have to check. lol.

All in all I'm not saying its a bad movie (I liked it), its just fun for me to pick fiction apart. =D

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I went and saw it yesterday and loved it. Someone said earlier that it goes against the original goal of Roddenberry to reunite Romulus and Vulcan. If you noticed in the sequence explaining what the hell was going on Ambasador Spock was trying to save Romulus. This movie is a set up for another movie. It gives them an excuse to go back in time and save Romulus. Would not be the first time that they went back in time to save a planet (Voyage Home). As for the actor they chose for the crew I thought all of them were spot on. Young Kirk was just as impetuous as Shatner (with out the dramatic pauses). The young Ohura was HOT!!!. Young Checov was halarious (especially the annoicement and the foul up with the authourization. Sulu has always been a bad ass fighter and the young one did not disapoint. Bones was spot on and a great tribute to the late DeForest Kelly. The young Scottie was funny and the out and out head shaking (not just a nod)to the original was also a great tribute to the late James Duhane. Did anyone else catch the reference to the Enterprise show in Scotties opening scene? As for Spock. Where in the hell did they find someone that looked so much like Leonard Nemoy? When they did the side view facing each other they looked like mirror images one young one old.

This was a great stand alone movie. Will see it again. The one scene that had me rolling was when kid Kirk stole his stepdad's car and sent it over the cliff (his step dad said if you put one scratch on it, well he scratched it) This movie I give two thumbs way up and five stars out of five and a big to all you nay sayers.
i also saw doctor becket from star gate alantis (yes i love the star gate series aswell lol) in the scene where....
(SPOILER!!!!!!!!)
kirk sneaks onto the enterprise


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i also saw doctor becket from star gate alantis (yes i love the star gate series aswell lol) in the scene where....
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haha worst spoiler warning attempt ever
who says it was an attempt (crazy side talking at the mo btw lol) maybe i wanted to fail
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i also saw doctor becket from star gate alantis (yes i love the star gate series aswell lol) in the scene where....
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kirk sneaks onto the enterprise


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Thank you kind sir, it was really irritating me because I saw him to; but I couldn't remember where the hell I saw him from. Kind of a wierd shift eh? Primary character on a(Not sure, was it successful?) TV show to a extra with no dialogue on a movie. Seems like a step down in my book. But hell, a gig is a gig right?

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I find a lot of people are upset about this movie for two reasons; they're fans of the original series (or one of them) and they disagree with the science. Okay, fair point.

I'm going to squash the later like a bug. You can't argue science in a science FICTION show/movie/whatever. Are we really talking about what you think should happen in the event of a blackhole not being portrayed realistically when people are being transported willy nilly entire planet systems away on ships navigating said systems in a matter of minutes because of FTL warp speed? BUT, Warp Speed is mathematically possible, and time travel isn't impossible either, it just creates a parallel universe, maknig it impossible to return to yuor own time even if you only observe. Oh sure, let's go ahead and nitpick the levels of complexities of thermo dynamics while pointy eared goons are travelling through time firing laser beams. We do have lasers in real life too you know

You take an idea, you run with it. You go for the most visually appealing and disturbing image you can think of when creating a dissaster, you don't concern yourself with the "science" of the matter. Dear god, how boring would those space scenes actually be if we stripped all sound affects from them simply to purify the science behind sound waves in a vaccum? You did notice that the one scene where we followed a character into space without sound from interiors of ships, ther was no sound, right? Probably the best part of the movie was the 20 seconds of silent space battle.

Talking about the theories of science and the cinema driven ways in which they took theories is one thing, complaining about it is quite another.

The former is much more opinionated and up to the individual. It was a completely different take on the Star Trek genre, one for which I was eternally grateful. The original series was... odd at best. TOS was very much from a different era. Back then, hopeful futures were important, given the paranoia of the US govmt in expecting WWIII at any moment Generations was pleasent, DS9 was preachy, I stopped watching DS9 for a while, but never because the moral message was annoying - I like meaning in my sci-fi, for pure action I might as well watch a war flick - purely because Babylon 5 was more invilving at the time, I feel DS9 lost it's way a little around series 4. Voyager was so full of itself I can't believe it lasted as along as it did Voyager was, overall, awful. But, it was proper Trek, in that it tried to teach moral messages, and entertain. and I was tired of it when Enterprise Enterprise wasn't real Trek. It was very much a joke - even if Hoshi Sato was hot. came out. This movie, like all the others, took existing cannon That's my main problem - the canon it overwrote, such as using Phasers instead of lasers - no real visual difference, but it wouldn't have hurt the story, so why do it? and interpreted it in it's own way. Just like comic books have multiple universes, so too does Star Trek.

Now, some people may have some issues with what they did with Romulus, Vulcan and the like, in the same way that I feel Voyager took the Borg, spit on them, shit on them, set them on fire, crapped on the ashes and then buried them upside down while pissing on the grave... but some other people may end up liking it more than you or I do. Let them have their universes, and we'll keep the ones we enjoyed to ourselves. I thought the storyline overall was poor, but if 'Prime' Romulus hadn't been destroyed, it'd be fine. Parallel Vulcan dying was irritating, but only mildly, like an itch. Very ignorable, except in conjunction with everything else.

By itself, Star Trek was a good flick. In relation to the original series, it had a very original take on it, tributes to various characters while retaining their essences and then running with them in ways in which an alternate reality just well might.

The very best thing about it (IMO) was that they never went bat shit crazy when it came to the resolution of the devestating problem they faced. No retarded new technology conjured out of their asses, no cheat on existing tech, no crazy achillies heels exploited. Just some good ol fashion elbow grease, a few critical but noticable flaws in design and turning their own powers against them.

The other very best thing is that all the characters were human (sort of). By god honest and flawed human (sort of). They all made mistakes, had noticable shortcomings, actually showed development and even got licked every now and then. Such a refreshing drink from the usual "spacemarineleetness" the plagued the genre for so long.

Since science has become such a main point of this thread though - the supernova that took out Romulus. Apparently, in the comic, a nearby sun exploded, blah blah, before it petered out entirely (as they quickly do in the vast emptiness of space) it encountered a material that somehow allowed the wave of energy to convert destroyed matter into more energy, perpetuating the wave. Seriously. Then, it somehow must have re-amplified itself to the previous level (or the element was no further from the Sun than Mars is from ours) and somehow sustained itself between soalr systems, to reach the Romulan system...all the while somehow travelling at Warp Speed - even though supernovas travel at the speed of light - though if it had done this they would have had, at least, days to evacuate - probably months or even years. Also, without further supplies of this mystery material, the wave would, again, have petered out, especially given the extra energy drain of travelling faster-than-light.

It's one thing for science in sci-fi to (boldly?) go into the unknown, and theoretical impractibilities (like a phased energy pulse - Phasers aren't 'solid' beams of light) and quite another to contradict basic Laws of Physics. Ye cannae change the Laws of Physics, Laws of Physics, Laws of Physics, Jim.
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I knew I was in for a major let down when the retard script writer put a fucking child birth into an action scene.

Piss off. Yawn. Why the hell do they ram that femme shit down your neck in the first 5 mins?

Overall I'd give it a score of...meh. Every single episode of Next Generation, Voyager and DS9 was better than this.
Your kidding right? Not only was the contrast between Kirk senior's happiness at the birth of his son and his wife's anguish at his impending death a brilliant opener, but there are so many episodes from all three series that are pure unadulterated, should never see the light of day, shite. Think at least half of the first series of TNG, the first two seasons of DS9, and half of all Voyager episodes.

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> DS9 was better than this.

Steady now. I think you are forgetting the holodeck baseball episode. And the one where they put quark in drag in an attempt for cheap lulz. And anything involving Jake. To be frank, it was only the double hard Jem'Hadar that dragged that shit-pit of a series into the 'might as well watch it as there's fuck all else on' category.

I notice with glee that you didn't suggest Enterprise was better than the film. I have never seen past the first the two minutes of any Enterprise episode as I break out in a cold sweat at the sound of the theme tune and have to go have a little lie down in a darkened room for an hour or two. The writers of that travesty should be put out of the nearest airlock without a space suit, along with the cast and crew. (I'll spare Bakula for his sterling work on Quantum Leap, on the proviso that he never darkens our veiw screens again. And I'll spare the vulcan girl, on the condition that.... Well, you don't need to hear about that bit.)
Oh come on DS9 was a good show, and the episode with Quark as a woman is a classic. As for the lass who played T'pol in Enterprise, Jolene Blalock, well she's in Starship Troopers 3 under the name of Lola Beck. Is it just me or is that a pornstar name?

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I went and saw it yesterday and loved it. Someone said earlier that it goes against the original goal of Roddenberry to reunite Romulus and Vulcan. If you noticed in the sequence explaining what the hell was going on Ambasador Spock was trying to save Romulus. This movie is a set up for another movie. It gives them an excuse to go back in time and save Romulus. Would not be the first time that they went back in time to save a planet (Voyage Home). As for the actor they chose for the crew I thought all of them were spot on. Young Kirk was just as impetuous as Shatner (with out the dramatic pauses). The young Ohura was HOT!!!. Young Checov was halarious (especially the annoicement and the foul up with the authourization. Sulu has always been a bad ass fighter and the young one did not disapoint. Bones was spot on and a great tribute to the late DeForest Kelly. The young Scottie was funny and the out and out head shaking (not just a nod)to the original was also a great tribute to the late James Duhane. Did anyone else catch the reference to the Enterprise show in Scotties opening scene? As for Spock. Where in the hell did they find someone that looked so much like Leonard Nemoy? When they did the side view facing each other they looked like mirror images one young one old.

This was a great stand alone movie. Will see it again. The one scene that had me rolling was when kid Kirk stole his stepdad's car and sent it over the cliff (his step dad said if you put one scratch on it, well he scratched it) This movie I give two thumbs way up and five stars out of five and a big to all you nay sayers.

Totally in agreement, plus the look on Winona Ryder's face just before her character is killed off is priceless, it kind of say's 'where the hells my career gone?'


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i have yet to talk to any hardcore trekkies that dislike this movie.
I totally agree with you mate. Speaking as someone who owns the entire original series and all the movies, this movie reenvisions Star Trek similar to how Ronald D Moore and David Eick reenvisioned Battlestar Galactica, and as with BSG it works brilliantly.
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