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I'm shocked anyone liked it. The science was pathetic. The continuity with all previous Star Trek was virtually non-existant, notwithstanding that it was a parallel universe. The destruction of Romulus in the 'prime' universe directly contradicts Roddenberry's vision of them eventually reuniting with Vulcans, and joining the Federation.

The guy who played Bones' acting was mediocre at best. Chekov was 3/4 years too old, and merely included as comic relief - an insult to the original character. Delta Vega was a completely different world, certainly not in the Vulcan system. The mining ship had no safety features. They had phasers instead of lasers. The whole Spock-Uhura thing made literally no sense, either in the context of the Trek universe, or in the film. Killing the redshirt was a pathetic cliche.

I thought the inconsistency of Enterprise with real Star Trek was bad, but it was nothing compared to this. RIP Star Trek.
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This is why I am glad I am not a treky as I could enjoy the movie for what it was and not get bogged down in all the fanboy stuff.

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This is why I am glad I am not a treky as I could enjoy the movie for what it was and not get bogged down in all the fanboy stuff.
Yeah, but it was still rubbish science, apart from the non-Trekkiness. Black Holes don't propel you through time, and don't look like a swirly stormcloud. And for Chekov to do that PA announcement made no sense - that's the Captain's job...or the COMMUNICATIONS officer...just cheap laughs.
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Yea the science was abit odd like when they made the black hole at the end but the ship was torn apart. I thought it would travel back in time. But with sci-fi movies I dont really think about the science. Yea the communication bit was just for laughs surely you would get someone who could speak english better to do it.

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Yeah, but it was still rubbish science, apart from the non-Trekkiness. Black Holes don't propel you through time, and don't look like a swirly stormcloud. And for Chekov to do that PA announcement made no sense - that's the Captain's job...or the COMMUNICATIONS officer...just cheap laughs.

What rubbish science? I never knew before that the science in Star Trek was spot on and realistic. And how do you know black holes don't propel you through time? Ever been through one? Ever actually SEEN one to know what it looks like? I think you let yourself get too caught up in whether or not it was realistic to let yourself enjoy it for the movie it was. You sound like you were prepared to not like it and actively looked for any thing that would let you not like it in good conscience.

I will agree that Chekov making the pa announcement was.... odd however.

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Yeah, but it was still rubbish science, apart from the non-Trekkiness. Black Holes don't propel you through time, and don't look like a swirly stormcloud. And for Chekov to do that PA announcement made no sense - that's the Captain's job...or the COMMUNICATIONS officer...just cheap laughs.
You do know that we have no idea what would happen if we went into a Black Hole, we just don't know such things. And though I don't understand it personally many science folk that are clever are quick enough to tell us that scientifically there is no reason that time travel wouldn't be possible. So really we have no idea if the black hole science of the film is correct or not. And we assume that the ship is destroyed when it goes back into the Black Hole however we never see it, we don't know if they have just time travelled again, that was why they were still firing at the ship even though it was likely to be destroyed in the Black Hole. And Star Trek has never been known as scientifically accurate.

And as for Chekov doing the communications that was because it was funny, they can't make the film so only trekkies like it, it has to appeal to a wider audience and I can say that nearly everyone in the cinema laughed when he did the communications. I even went to see the film with a self confessed Trekky and he was laughing not complaining about the inaccuracies. He was suitably impressed by what was a good film, that was sufficiently faithful to the original series while making it accessible to a wider audience. And he was practically wetting himself whenever any Trekish happened, first seeing Spock Snr, Live long and Prosper, etc...

The moral of my rant is don't pick holes in a good film, just sit back and watch it, better yet sit back and enjoy it. My thought of the day- you trekkies think about stuff too much.

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Killing the redshirt was so obviously gonna happen, just like in the spoof Galaxy Quest. Had a conversation with my friend about it as they were jumping out the shuttle
Me "£10 says he's so gonna die"
Friend "OK I'll take that bet, but why do you think that?"
Me "Cause he's not a named character"
Friend "Nah they'd never be that obvious!"
Redshirt "Splat!"
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i loved it. all the twists were quite interesting.

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*twitch*

Well as we (probably) all know the new star trek movie is in theaters, I saw it 2 times this weekend... once on Saturday with my mom because we were board, and then on mother’s day with my dad because my mom wanted the day to herself.

Now, as a (if I may presume the honor) mid-level trekkie, I have to point out some ENORMOUS flaws in the movie (one cannon, one physics, and one just wrong), I will limit myself to three due to my wish to keep this concise.



The simulation had Klingon warbirds as the enemy. Anyone? Can anyone tell me what’s wrong with this statement? *twitch*

The black hole on Vulcan should not have collapsed as it did from the point of entry out across the surface, think about the physics of what’s going on, the denser shit at the core would have collapsed first, and uniformly to a degree around the planet, leaving the exterior in free fall to hit the surface of the soon to be black hole, sending out a shock wave of rebound when it hit, then it would fully collapse. What they did was just... *twitch*

Spok, and Uhura. *twitch* *twitch* *twitch*



Now on the upside, we had a hilarious Scotty, a great red-shirt moment, and a kirk capable of stringing three words together in grammatical order. I liked the movie, but it seemed that nothing was sacred to the people who wrote it.

Anyone else seen it? Opinions?

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Old Trekkie here, my Dad introduced me to TOS at a young age, so I was looking forward to this movie. It gets both a thumbs up, and a thumbs down. Thumbs up for the first class special effects, and the excellent opening sequence which mixed a full on fire fight in space with a human element. The action was excellent. Some of the characters were cool, Bones was spot on, and the nods to the original series and canon were excellent. Thumbs down for overtly dodgy science (Yeah, Trek sci has never been on firm ground, being speculative and all, but the warp coil incident? Really?) and an unwillingness to really engage with any issues.

That has always been the thing about Trek, it bridged the gap between the 'spectacle' of AV science fiction, and scifi lit which tends to deal with issues. Trek never shied away from blowing up starships, nor from examining social interactions and ills. This one backs away from dealing the issues of loss and death that some of the events throw up, which I can only find deplorable.

There has always also been a streak of patriarchal misogony in Trek as well, which I am glad to see has been kept. It may not be PC, but it's a Boy's Own adventure, and us boys know that there's nothing better than whooping some ass and then going to bed with a really hot green chick.

All in all, I'd say this film is a bit like an empty sausage roll. The pastry is all crumbly and golden and lovely, and extremely yummy looking. But when you bite into it, there's no sausage. You can appreciate the pastry still, but where's my meat, dammit?
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