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I think this is one of the greatest films ever, very weird. For those who haven't seen it this is my favouraite bit.


For those who have seen it, I have watched it for the 5th time. I think that he did not kill them, he was just thinking he did, but I am not sure. So can anyone shead any light on it for me?

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Cool film.

If you haven't done so already go buy all of Bret Easton Ellis' books. They're all awesome.
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Cool film.

If you haven't done so already go buy all of Bret Easton Ellis' books. They're all awesome.
Jez do you mean there are more books featuring Mr Bateman? or just more by the same author?

Oh and it is a cool film

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Thankyou everyone for for saying it's a good film, but I was asking a question. Did he actually kill the people or not?

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Thankyou everyone for for saying it's a good film, but I was asking a question. Did he actually kill the people or not?
I'm in the camp that says he did. I take a look at it like this; the director doesn't seem like a cop-out type person (like the b*st*rdly movie Donny Darko). It also would have really taken a great deal away from his interactions with the detective investigating the murders, his secretary when they almost went on a date and the multiple encounters with the street walkers.

The kitten somewhat gave it away for me, in that while showing his was basically going nuts, he was still performing the actions in front of witnesses, who of course added to his very random toll toward the end of the movie.

Also, if he wasn't actually Patrick, how come all the characters kept referring to him as such during the movie? The only one that didn't was his lawyer at the end. And what does a Lawyer do? They protect their clients with whatever story they come up with; which was what he did at the end. If Paul didn't really die or dissapear, what was the entire purpose of the detective in the first place?

I also feel the entire movie was a very interesting twist on the psychosis the American people feel toward each other for the dumbest of reasons. It's absurd to think someone would murder another person over having a better business card, but then people have been gunned down in life over having the same kind of shoes, so it heavily plays on that. It would really ruin that aspect of it if it was all a 'random hallucination'.

Plus, I haven't really heard a good argument for it all being a mental trip anyway. The best one so far was that no one seemed to care about the missing or murdered people, so it must not have happened, but when was the last time someone cried over the last high school shooting? Sure it sucks, but after we see/hear/read the story, that's pretty much the end of it. That also struck me as rather powerful in that not only was the rampaging murder psycho, but that we all shared a certain callous nature toward the suffering of others.

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Jez do you mean there are more books featuring Mr Bateman? or just more by the same author?

Oh and it is a cool film
No, they're different books but Glamorama had cameos.

He wrote Rules of Attraction as well, probably the greatest novel I've ever read. Sean Bateman (Dawson) is Batemans younger brother.
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The film's good but the book is AWESOME

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Rev the whole pooint is that he is a psychopath. Read the Jigsaw Man by Paul Briton, it is all 100% true, and a man kills because a girl is wearing red shoes. Psychopaths that go over the edge an carry out murders often have no real reason for the killing, so pick anyone who annoyed them more than other, they tend to have the emotions of hatred, digust, jealousy, etc.. so can be liable to kill for trivial reasons such as buisness cards.

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Yes he definately killed them, the film is tamer than the book (the rodent part EWW). I love how the book shows how banal and shallow he is. The parts about Whitney Houson, Hewy Lewis and Phil Collins give you a greater idea about how fucked up he is than all the chainsaws in the world can.
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