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The ork warlord in my opinion was actually pretty badass. At least my opinion. He looked more badass than the orks that walk around like they're old men.
Except Orcs aren't supposssed to be mega baddasses - they're not 40k Orks. In the books, orcs are suppossed to be smaller than men and unless I've completely misremembered, are generally described as hunched and crook limbed - it's only Uruk-hai/Black Orcs who are man-high.



As for accuracy of the LotR films, I agree that they also took liberties with plot elements and designs of that, but that doesn't mean they can do whatever they like with TH. Ultimately, I think it's best to view the film not as an adaptation, but rather it should be considered as "Peter Jackson's The Hobbit" - that way it stands up better (like I said, it was good as a Fantasy film, just not as a tolkien film to me).
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Did no one else feel the action scenes were to quick and rushed? I honestly couldn't take a lot of it in, especially the escape from goblin town, I wanted to see killing and combat like in moria at balin's tomb.
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To be honest, I found the film fairly disapointing, but that could be because I fall on the 'purist' side of the fence. As a Fantasy film, it was very good, but as an adaptation I felt like it fell short. That said, some of it is probably down to personal taste. Because I'm lazy, I'll just copy & paste a review I wrote on another site, rather than trying to remember all the pros and cons off hand:

Being a person who was incredibly pleased with the movie, I can still concede that your points are sound. I'm not sure how old you are, but I used to feel the same way. After decades of seeing movies deviate from amazing book plots I just got tired of being disappointed all the time and my expectations have changed to reflect that. I'm paying to see the movie to enjoy it, so my expectations have changed and now I'm just happy when they get it somewhat right. Like you, I feel if it isn't broken... don't fix it.

I'm going to be digging my bok out of storage to read it again just for fun. It's been about a decade... I don't remember the dwarves going to Rivendell. Did that actually happen?
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I'm going to be digging my bok out of storage to read it again just for fun. It's been about a decade... I don't remember the dwarves going to Rivendell. Did that actually happen?
Yep, except instead of stumbling in by a secret passage, they entered by purpose. (I suppose you could argue that in the film Gandalf leads them in via that route by design, but that just comes off as a bit contrived and convenient considering it's used as an escape from Azog's attack :/)
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Yep, except instead of stumbling in by a secret passage, they entered by purpose. (I suppose you could argue that in the film Gandalf leads them in via that route by design, but that just comes off as a bit contrived and convenient considering it's used as an escape from Azog's attack :/)
It's definitely time for me to re-read it then because I have no memory of that. I think the dwarves do believe Gandalf tricked them into going there, but yeah... It would have made more sense for them to do it knowingly. I like how you say it... Peter Jacksons The Hobbit haha It kinda sums up why I am so accepting and able to enjoy it so much. 20 years ago I would probably have been disappointed too. All things considered, can you imagine how things would have turned out had some other guy produced this movie?
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All things considered, can you imagine how things would have turned out had some other guy produced this movie?
Yeah, probably a good thing George Lucas didn't get the rights
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We always meant to have Worg Riders in the background
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OMG! How true is that?
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Something about the CGI used and the way the dwarves and Azog in particular were touched up in post production really bothered me. Most of the dwarves, just looked very computer enhanced, everything was a bit too glossy and smooth, perhaps as a result of the 48fps. But I distinctly remember no such thoughts when seeing Gimli in Lord of the Rings, nothing about him looked fake, looked like he could genuinely be a dwarf, where as the Hobbit dwarves all looked very blatantly fake. As for Azog, I couldn't stand any moment he was on screen because of how absurdly CGI'ed he looked, was beyond distracting.

I was also a bit perplexed by the enormity of the goblin king, nothing about the goblins sat right really.
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