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Hi fellow heretics!

I have been out of the game for a few years and even before that, I did not play often. I think I may have played a total of 4 games in total. Those games were played a few editions ago so things have drastically changed especially with CSM. I have always enjoyed the painting and building side of the the hobby but recently decided to join a local game group. I procured some of the most recent books (Traitor legion and Wrath of Magnus) and tried to go through them to help me set even a basic list. I am honestly completely lost. I mostly buy models based on how they look and their fluff. Ive read most of the Heresy books and Im venturing into the M41 stuff to see whats up now. So while trying to set up a list I am also trying to keep it fluffy. I love the Black Legion and the Iron Warriors (more tanks and heavies please).

Now Im not here for you guys to teach me the game. Reading your discussions has taught me a few things but the more I read about formations etc the more lost I become. So I think my first step is just to get a list set and then try to re-learn the game from there. Below is a list of models I have at my disposal. If you guys can help me set up a list I would really appreciate it. They play 1150 pts at my local but I think my units are all over the place so lets say propose anything from a 750 pts to a 2000 pts. I think if I can have a basic list to start from then I can figure out the rest from there. I will just need to figure out how the play the various setups (deployment, deep strike, reserves etc.) as well as what to use where. Its all rather overwhelming tbh.

I would really really appreciate the help. There arent chaos players at my local and I obviously know noone there so I thought turn to my internet community which you guys/gals are I am sorry if this is the wrong section or not the right place to ask but like I said, a tad desperate!

Below the unit list:

HQ
1 x Chaos Sorcerer lord (w terminator armor)
2 x Daemon Princes (w Wings)
1 x Magnus the Red

Troops
25 x Chaos Space Marines

Elites
4 x Chosen
5 x Terminators
20 x Khorne Berserkers
9 x Thousand Sons (w Sorcerer)
9 x Noise Marines (6 x Sonic Blaster, 1 x Blastmaster, 1 x Doom Siren)
1 x Dreadnaught (Hellbrute?)

Dedicated transport
5 x Rhinos

Fast Attack
1 x Champion on Bike
3 x Chaos Spawn
5 x Raptors

Heavy Support
3 x Defilers
2 x Obliterators
1 x Land Raider
1 x Chaos Fellblade
6 x Havoc Squad (4 Missile Launcher, 1 Heavy Bolter, 1 Lascannon)

Super heavies
2 x Warhound Titans
2 x Renegade Knight Titans

I appreciate any help you can offer

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Well, first off do you know what point level you're playing at?

In regards to playing, I would say for the first few games of returning - do not bring psykers (or only bring one to start) as I think the psychic phase is a little wonky when first experiencing it.

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I would definitely say to avoid bringing the Defilers or Land raiders. (I have no idea what a Fell blade is/does - besides a FW item)

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With what you have, I would avoid using formations since you do not really have enough to run many, as they tend to utilize spammed units (such as requiring 3+ squads of terminators, or 3+ Raptors/Warp Talons)

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I'll try to help with anything further, but knowing what point level your playing at will help a whole lot.

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Hi Fallen. Thanks for the reply. I think the local plays 1150 pts but Im not sure if Ill be able to do a solid showing in that points range that is why I stated there is some flexibility in the range of 750 pts to 2000 pts. Lets say 1150 pts and then I can build from there.

I have NO IDEA how the psycic phase works so it would be great if I can have training wheels for that ;)

A few questions just based on your reply:
- Why should I avoid the defilers or the land raider?
- Wont I be very limited if I cannot use formations? What I could figure out so far is that a formation provides some kind of bonus without adding point costs and just require some sort of force organisation. So if you think there is a start of a formation, please let me know so that I can also consider expanding my army. Im all for new models, more painting and kit bashing

Any advise is much appreciated

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Hi kosbeer.
I suggest you begin practicing at 750 pts. Always bring a psyker to practice and swap units and combinations often to get the grasp of what you like/dislike, work/doesn't work.
Also, first thing first: read the codex, read the supplement you want to use. Otherwise we are just talking nonsense to you

Then, you have a wide range of models, but i suggest getting some duplicates. some bikers and maybe sme cultists for chaff unit.

This said, a nice Alpha legion list can be good.
You begin toying with reserves and infiltrators and special weapons.

Alpha Legion Chaos Warband
(all has Veteran of the long war)

Chaos Lord, bike, Vipers bite (on bike tl bolters)
100 pts

5 Marines, melta, combimelta, rhino
130 pts

5 Marines, melta, combimelta, rhino
130 pts

5 chosen, 2 plasmagun, rhino
155 pts

5 raptors, 2 flamers
105 pts

Helbrute
100 pts

Auxiliary formation
1 Spawn
30 pts

750 pts on the spot. 3 infiltrators units, 2 fast support units, 1 helbrute for backfield "defense"
to reach 1000 pts you add 2 spawns to escort the lord, swap the helbrute with 5 havocs w/4 missiles and add another 5 man chosen rhino squad with 2 plasma OR a tooled up sorceror (ML 2, sigils of corruption, bike, familiar-135 pts)
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Some solid input neferhet. Yeah Ive worked my way through the codex so I do get some of the stuff you guys are talking about

Im glad that the units I have can get me going atleast. I saw this post by Brother Dextus and I like that a lot -> Iron Warriors Grand Battalion (starter 1k) That list looks really cool and I can field most of that stuff. I can change the missile launchers on the havocs to autocannons (looks like that is how most people are playing the havocs - why is that?). I really love the iron warriors and I can love their style as well.

I also found that most of the lists have cultists to add "body count" but I generally just hate the idea of cultists in a space marine army. I know thats the only way you can compare to other armies but blegh!

Another question: Is there still a way to mix the various traitor legions? For example have Noise marines, 1kSons etc in the same army as for example Black Legion? The codes state these squads as elites and thus makes them very expensive. Also, you are limited to the max amount of elites you can take in a list right? Sorry for all the questions. Reading the codex and the rules only gets me so far so Im still trying to figure out how the formations play into the force organisation stuff (1HQ, 2 Elites, 1 Heavy 2 troops or some such) that I used before. Please keep shooting with the suggestions. It is much appreciated!

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yes, you can mix Legions. They are battle brothers, so (marks allowing) you can join characters to each other units.
You could take an iron warrior Cad and an alpha legion warband!
or an emperor childer cad + iron warrior grand company. you get the idea.

As per Iron warriors, you have the base for a funny CAD army:

Sorceror (geomortis, ML 2, sigils, familiar)
125

obliterator
obliterator
140

5 Marines, melta,combimelta,rhino
130

5 havocs, 4 autocannons
115

defiler
defiler
390

spawn
30

aegis defence line +ammo dump
70

1000 pts on the spot

To answer some wuestions: Autocannon havocs give you lots of shots at a cheap price, IW havocs are even better due to tank hunters.

Defilers are overcostedand equipped with a vast, useless array of weapons. same for land raiders. Still, IW rerolling scatters for battle cannons can make something of a couple of defilers, in friendly games.
Still, in my meta, defiler is a nice jack of all trades that can decently mess with armour and infantry alike, while a stray landraider has surprised many players with too few meltaguns!

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neferhet, why is it a funny list? Because of the small number of bodies on the field? I must say the few games I played with my defiler (only 1 at that point) went really well. He always made his points atleast. Same with my demon prince. That monster wades into a group and they are done for.

Im wondering if I should maybe swap the sorcerer for a warpsmith? I remember seeing a formation with a warpsmith and obliterators or was it forgefiends? I dont have my book at work so I cant check. Loving the lists so far. I really appreciate the input and feedback

The autocannons look like a win and the covnersions dont look to hard. Ill try to get some marines changed to autocannons. I may have some terminator autocannons lying around.

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well, i call it funny beacuse at 1000 pts you have only 13 bodies on the field, plus NOONE plays 2 defilers. reason why you should drop autocann havoca and some more stuff to field 3 and laugh maniacally.

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