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Greenstuff: Full Robes for Space Marines

Fabrics - Full Robes 2.3

Right guys - been a while since i last did a tutorial, sorry for that, been quite busy with comps and life, here is the tool prep, tutorial will follow sat evening, sun mornin (GMT, got a local comp on sat so i cant start sooner), thought id give u a heads up so u can dust off ur tools!

Tool Prep

1). Water cup
2). Sculpting Tool
3). Sharp Knife
4). Thick plasticard
5). Thin plasticard (not essential, but it makes later stuff easier)
6). Greenstuff (or for the colour blind, a big liquerice swirl!)

Full Robes 2.3.5 Ė Open/Running Robes

Righteo guys, sorry for the delay, I have been busy, and admittedly I have never sculpted full robes in this way before, so I have been avoiding it a little and it took me a few tries to make it easy and looking good enough to teach u guys about it. So!
1.) Roll yourself a large ball of 50/50 GS , and leave it to cure for 25 mins or 2-4 mins if you are using a putty oven. Nb the ball in this pic isnít the actual sized ball I used. I ended up redoing this section because I didnít have enough Gs and forgot to take more pics. You want almost double the size of that ball

2.) Take the mini your working on while the GS cures and thin the waist, removing/smoothing any potential areas that may protrude (like a SM backside for instance, note I didnít smooth mine and not its sticking out like a sore thumb, realistic, but does it look good?), it may reduce the realism, but the mini will look a lot better for it.
3.) Grab a nice large square of thick plasticard, drench the square and the plasticard your going to be using, this is very important because you donít want the GS to stick, if your having issues try leaving the GS to cure for longer.

4.) Using the square and your finger tips slowly rock the square plasticard in a circular motion for about 5 seconds, lift the square up and using your tool slowly and lightly lift the GS off, this shouldnít take any effort, the large amount of water should make it very easy to lift, flip the Gs and repeat the process until you have roughly double the height of the legs

5.) Fold the GS in half and repeat the process again. You are now trying to widen the GS enough to fit it around your characters waist. The second picture is roughly the size u want it at, because I repeated this first stage to get a better result the actual size of the GS I am cutting up isnít correct, so donít use them as a reference for size, they are the wrong size, the actual size should be almost double the width. Nb you may even want to fold the ends in to make the GS squarer, which will help you gain the largest rectangle possible

6.) Next you will want to be thinking about the best way to cut the GS to get the maximum sized rectangle possible. Remember the bigger the rectangle is the easier it will be to mold the robe
If you believe you have the right size, pick it up and measure it against the mini, the rectangle in these pictures arenít wide enough, so I placed them back down and rolled some more

Eg pic of potential rectangles, the pink one is the best one, bet you never thought I d be saying that eh?

7.) So youíve got the size, place your mini down and put two small marks down where you want the top to be and where you want the bottom to be

8.) Grab your small metal ruler and line it up with the mark you have made, bear in mind the top mark, you want it to be as square as possible with this mark. Place your ruler down and softly push it into the GS to make sure it doesnít move, now slowly draw your scapel along, slowly and gently, cut a second time if you need. Then cut the top and sides until you have a nice rectangle

9.) Now wrap you GS around your characters waist/legs, your aiming to get the 2 top opposite points together just below his waist, press both down together at that point. You also want to make sure the rest is roughly lined up. Nb in the last pic you can see that my recrtangle is too large, so I removed it and cut some off.

10.) Next, u need to start bringing the top edges of the GS into his waist. With a wet tool slowly push the edge of the Gs up towards the waist, making it a nice smooth curve. (having clay shaper will help a lot)

11.) Now you want to work a few creases into the top of robe where it meets the waist, take your tool and push small, short lines into the GS. There are too many in the pic iv got here, and to be honest their a bit crap, I should have redone them, but I didnít coz am lazy :Ģ

12.) So now you want two big wavy folds, and the 2 main areas that would naturally carry these folds are slightly either side of the outer legs, so take your tool and slide it quite far up the robe in the centre and slowly, gently pull the GS out from the legs so you have room to work. Then take your tool (or a thin drill bit like I did) and gently pull each side out to so it looks like a square ĎUí from underneath

13.) Now gently push your wet tool down in between the two creases you have made so it now looks like a wavy ĎMí. This is your folds done, but, to add realism, your going to wet your fingers and slowly pinch and pull the bottom of each fold so it has a nice sharp end it

14.) Take your tool and slowly push downwards, towards yourself, on the inside of each fold, when you get to the end separate the two sides of the pinched GS, this will give you a nice sharp end to the fold now that looks realistic. Next take a thin drill bit and place it diagonally next to the front edge of bottom of your robes, it should form a triangle with the point of your robe. Now gently, with wet fingers roll it back, so its curved up and away from the leg. You also want to pull the fold next to it (the ones you made in the last step) slightly towards this fold and repeat on the other side. Now leave to cure

15.) Mix 50/50 GS blob, grab half and strategically Ďplonkí it on your mini you, roughly want it ĺ from the back of the mini. Using wet thumbs/fingers push the bottom left corner down towards the pubic area, this will help create the diagonal line that we need later. Drag the rest of it backwards and down so it fills up the side of the mini and half of the back of the mini. Make sure you cover every space

16.) Using your (very) sharp scalpel, place the bladeís point at the edge of the GS above the pelvis, the point should be slightly to the left as this part of the robe will be going over the part of the robe we will be sculpting on the opposite side. Slowly rock the blade backwards and up and towards the back collar of the space marine. It should look like it flows into the collar, a nice curved line

17.) Now we have that cut, you need to create some creases, place your tool at the bottom of the fabric and rock it backwards to about halfway, make sure it is running parallel to the line you have just cut. Make a few more similar creases, but make sure they go smaller the further they get away from the main crease.

18.) Using the same method, make a few more creases on the back as well, make sure you start off at the bottom, towards the middle, then sweep the crease up, towards the edge, after you have done that, take a wet tool and gently push the end of the crease up so it blends better into the fabric.

19.) Nb You may notice that the creases I have made at the back are a lot smoother then the ones I have made at the front, this is because I used my sculpting tool for the front and my Ďcup roundedí clay shaper for the back, I cannot overstate enough how useful this tool is, it will increase the quality of your work and it will make your work alot smoother. Its soft pointed tip allowed me to lightly draw smooth creases into the GS, the creases were easier to do, were quicker to do and look better.

20.) Now all this work may have lost you a sharp edge at the inside of your fold, take you tool and gently smooth the edge out towards the middle. Then using the long side of you tool push the edge in making sure its even, this should restore your sharp edge and is the easiest way to get sharp edges.

21.) Repeat on the opposite side but look to flatten the leading edge that goes towards the pelvis. This side of the robe will be going underneath the first. If you donít understand the idea try crossing you fingers over each other so your right hand goes underneath your left. As you can see you left hand is raised up of your right hand, this is the effect we are trying to recreate by flattening the leading point. It will make it seem that the first side we sculpted is travelling over the current side we are sculpting

22.) When you are pulling the GS towards the back you want to pull it so it overlaps the cured GS. Using a wet thumb continue to pull the wet GS over until its nice and smooth over the top of the cured GS. Donít be concerned if you have used two diff tones of GS, if you have made if nice and smooth you wont be able tell the difference once the paint goes on

23.) Create some creases in the same way as mentioned before, however, the starting point for the creases in the front should be more in the direction where the newly sculpted fabric travels under the older sculpt, their will be naturally more tension in this area

24.) Leave to cure
25.) Once fully cured you will need to find the arms sockets, using a sharp pointy object guesstimate where the centre of the arm socket is. Make a small hole and slowly expand that hold until you find the edges, donít worry if the arm doesnít sit flush against the socket, just make sure it sits well against the GS, the shoulder pad will cover the rest up!

26.) Extra details: this is the point where u may want to add dangly things, purity seals, insignia, chapter markings. The main thing you will need is a belt. I have wound some very thin jewellery making wire in to a tight coil, (by folding a long length in half, placing one end in to the jaws of my pin vice and twisting to my hearts content :Ģ!) and made a simple rope belt out of it. And thatís it, finished! Closed/standing robes to follow.
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Great stuff, wish I'd found this sooner.

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I like this ive never ben able to do greenstuff, way to difficult for me ill have to get some practice in though

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my hat goes of to you ( seriously i have one )

that would be ace when combined with a space wolves fur cloak
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OMG thats a real easy way to make robes,this is some great tutorial!

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Ive tryed making my own robes , they dont look to good, this could help alot thanks
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This is great. Tried to do it myself once but it was a complete failure. I might have to try it again...
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Thanks for the guide. this will come in handy when I do my Phoenix Marines!!!!

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awesome tut dude that will help me heaps great work +rep its not much but its all i have

only thing i noticed is you use a colour shaper but thats not in your tools image!

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Loving this. Anything different I'd need to consider for Eldar models?
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